*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[TheSpoonald]

What I don't know is why this is a win for Trump. How does solve the immigration problem?

Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall

[oskar]

Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall

nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money and because it wouldn't work. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa, most drugs come through points of entry. To put most of the funds you have in a wall is... you might say... retarded?

[Poopadoop]

nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money and because it wouldn't work. Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa, most drugs come through points of entry. To put most of the funds you have in a wall is... you might say... retarded?

But...but... "BUILD THE WALL" is such a great chant! What difference does it make if it's a retarded idea?

[TheSpoonald]

nononono. Most have said they oppose it because it's a waste of money

No they haven't. It's a moral issue and has been ever since ORANGE MAN BAD. Even the leftiest lefty wouldn't believe the "too expensive" argument. Illegal immigrants cost our economy $116B a year. $20B for a wall is a no-brainer.

and because it wouldn't work.

Walls work. Don't even try to argue that they don't. They do.

Most illegal immigrants overstay their visa

Diversion. 60+ thousand people a month are showing up at the border with no visa. That's a humongous problem by itself. If more immigrants are getting in other ways...that's a separate problem.

most drugs come through points of entry.

You took a misleading talking point and then warped it into a complete falsehood. For the record, the correct talking point that you were trying to cite was that "most drugs are confiscated at points of entry". But that's misleading. Who knows what percentage of total drugs that represents. And who knows how much drugs go between ports of entry.

Suppose you had termites in your house. And when you sought a solution you were told "don't worry about it, most termites are in the forest anyway"

What we do know is that fentnyl deaths have caused life expectancy in the US to decline for the first time in almost a century. So the drugs are getting in. Period.

[Poopadoop]

Even the leftiest lefty wouldn't believe the "too expensive" argument.

I've heard them say the same thing. There's better and more effective ways to police the border.

Illegal immigrants cost our economy $116B a year. $20B for a wall is a no-brainer.

Seems impossible to quantify this precisely, and in any case having a wall isn't going to stop illegal immigration dead in its tracks.

Walls work. Don't even try to argue that they don't. They do.

Sure they work better than an empty space. Doesn't mean they're the best/only solution.

Diversion. 60+ thousand people a month are showing up at the border with no visa. That's a humongous problem by itself. If more immigrants are getting in other ways...that's a separate problem.

Are they showing up in the desert or at a point of entry? 'Cause I don't think a wall in the desert is going to change that.

What we do know is that fentnyl deaths have caused life expectancy in the US to decline for the first time in almost a century. So the drugs are getting in. Period.

That's terrible. But, do you imagine people are carrying bags of drugs across the desert border by mule? Or, are they using boats and planes and things that actually make sense if you're trying to traffic large quantities of drugs? How tall is that wall going to be?

[TheSpoonald]

I've heard them say the same thing. There's better and more effective ways to police the border.

Maybe that's true. In fact, it probably is true. It's also not relevant. Because none of those methods are permanent solutions like a wall. That's the one advantage a wall has over all other solutions.

The next liberal president can't come in and un-build a wall. He CAN come in and slash funding for sensors, border agents, detention facilities, and all that stuff that is supposedly "more effective".

That's why the wall is the superior solution. The american public won't accept the other measures. We were sold that shit in the 80's, and 30 years later we have over 20 million people here that shouldn't be.

[TheSpoonald]

Are they showing up in the desert or at a point of entry?

Both

But, do you imagine people are carrying bags of drugs across the desert border by mule?

Something like that.

Or, are they using boats and planes and things that actually make sense if you're trying to traffic large quantities of drugs?

I'm not sure how much you know about fentanyl, but a thermos of the stuff could wipe out a city. "Large quantities" is a fungible term.

[Poopadoop]

I'm not sure how much you know about fentanyl, but a thermos of the stuff could wipe out a city. "Large quantities" is a fungible term.

Better close the airports and post offices too.

And where is this illicit fentanyl originating? About 80 percent of the pure fentanyl seized by U.S. authorities last fiscal year arrived from China, often through the mail.

[Poopadoop]

Democrats have been advocating against the wall on moral grounds. This proves how full of shit they are. Any court can see that. Now that they're platform has been exposed as a swamp of bullshit, they really can't stop Trump from implementing stricter immigration policy, including a wall

Eh, think you're reaching there. It's not simply a choice between open borders bus them all to Beverly Hills and build the Wall.

Regardless, I'm pretty sure he's not getting his wall.