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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    We're at: 'Trump saying it's ok to murder innocent children, and then acting on it by offering support to a navy seal who murdered innocent children' - being a nothing-story that doesn't matter.
    Exactly how many innocent children are dead because of Trump policy? Do you have a number?

    Also: a foreign nation interfering in US presidential elections is so much of not a big deal that it's ok for the president to deny it happened in the face of overwhelming evidence.
    What exactly do you want the President to say about it? Do you want him to de-rail foreign relations because Russia bought some google ads? It's not really the president's job to coddle his enemies and be contrite to a hostile press. He knows what Russia did.

    Mueller found that the Russians began their efforts to interfere into the election as early as 2014. What does that even have to do with Trump?

    Who was in charge back then?

    Obama needed to maintain relations with Russia to secure the Iran Deal. So he looked the other way on Russia's other bad behavior.

    But in CNN-world, that's fine. The real problem is that Trump lied to a reporter about a time that nothing almost maybe happened.
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    https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/185142...uction-justice

    Legally, an attempt at obstruction of justice is still a crime, even if it fails.
    But it certainly makes sense why you would want to lie about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Legally, an attempt at obstruction of justice is still a crime, even if it fails.
    What "attempt"?

    I'm not seeing what Trump 'failed' at?

    If you're saying Trump "attempted" to do something, and it "failed"....then why did it fail?

    I'm not going to wait for you to make up a lie. The truth is that nothing 'failed'. Trump just changed his mind.
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    BTW poop, you're dodging again. The question is, why does the Al Jazeera pundit have a problem with Trump lying to a news media hellbent on destroying him?

    That's literally his whole beef. Trump lied to CNN.

    I'm asking you why that fucking matters at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    Exactly how many innocent children are dead because of Trump policy? Do you have a number?
    Why are you pivoting? Do you realize you're pivoting?
    The question is: The president has called for the killing of the families of terrorists many times on his campaign trail. Now he's acting on it by interfering in a military trial of a navy seal who on the account of his own Seal team has indiscriminately killed civilians, among them children. How do you feel about that?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSpoonald View Post
    loaded questions and whataboutism
    I can only explain why those are not sound arguments so many times.
    Last edited by oskar; 04-28-2019 at 02:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Why are you pivoting? Do you realize you're pivoting?
    I'm not pivoting. you clearly seem to have a problem with one of Trump's policy positions. I'm simply asking what effect it's had.

    The question is: The president has called for the killing of the families of terrorists many times on his campaign trail. Now he's acting on it by interfering in a military trial of a navy seal who on the account of his own Seal team has indiscriminately killed civilians, among them children.
    "called for"? "Many times"? "Acting on it"? "Interfereing"? It's funny how later in this post you get on my shit for using loaded language. You seem to be concluding that this guy is a killer and Trump is his cheerleader. Call me when the case has been properly adjudicated and all the facts are known. As far as Trump goes....you're really spinning yourself into a tizzy to connect Trump to this.

    That's kinda deranged.

    How do you feel about that?
    I'm glad the military is taking the time to do a thorough investigation and ascertain the facts. I trust that the military system of justice will be fair, and adjudicate based on facts. I have faith that the correct outcome will be found, whatever it is. Beyond that, I have no opinion.

    loaded questions and whataboutism
    Dude, are your arguments really this shallow and weak. YOU posted a clip of a TV guy bitching about Trump for telling a fib. His whole beef is that he caught the President telling an off the cuff falsehood to a hostile news media. That was YOU that complained about that. That was YOU who felt it noteworthy to post this expose. It was YOU who thinks this matters. It was YOU who impugned the Trump surrogate for using tactics learned in Public Relations 101.

    It's not a loaded question to simply ask you....what should Trump have said instead? Since YOU care so much about this "lie".....what do you think Trump should have said instead?

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