*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[oskar]

A wall isn't racist. Saying you need a wall because immigrants murder is. Illegal immigrants murder at a much lower rate than citizens. So making an ad that makes it look like you need to stop immigrants because of murder is racist. In fact if you'd let more illegal immigrants in you'd have less murder statistically.

A wall or barrier in the right places makes sense. A wall in the middle of the desert is retarded.

[TheSpoonald]

A wall isn't racist. Saying you need a wall because immigrants murder is. Illegal immigrants murder at a much lower rate than citizens.

This is wrong. Again, you're conflating two talking points. Stop watching CNN. It's true there is less crime per capita among immigrant populations compared to native born US populations. That's it. You don't get to insert any additional words into that sentence. End of talking point.

Do you have any data that shows the frequency of criminal activity among illegal immigrant populations compared to native born populations? Do you have that data? Because it kinda pads your crime stats if you include a few million people who waited in line at the border, and went through the immigration process legally. We already know those are law abiding people. The wall isn't meant for them.

Before you go on a goose chase, you should know that the data you would actually need is difficult to come by. Many states dont' ask the immigration status of criminals. In many states, it's illegal to do so. However, the federal government does keep stats.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...16/Table09.pdf
US Citizens are responsible for only 58% of crime. Does that sound proportional to their population??????

So making an ad that makes it look like you need to stop immigrants because of murder is racist.

Uh, no it isn't.

In fact if you'd let more illegal immigrants in you'd have less murder statistically.

Provably false

The Justice Department keeps data on federal crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally — and an analysis from the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that undocumented immigrants made up a disproportionate share of federal inmates sentenced for nonimmigration crimes in 2016.

[Poopadoop]

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...16/Table09.pdf
US Citizens are responsible for only 58% of crime. Does that sound proportional to their population??????

According to this,there were only 84 murder convictions in the US in all of 2016.

Something tells me they don't have anything approaching a complete data set here.

[TheSpoonald]

According to this,there were only 84 murder convictions in the US in all of 2016.

Something tells me they don't have anything approaching a complete data set here.

It's federal stats. And the vast majority of crimes are prosecuted at the state level. If you had any shred of reading comprehension you'll see where I clearly stated that available data on this is thin.

[Poopadoop]

It's federal stats. And the vast majority of crimes are prosecuted at the state level. If you had any shred of reading comprehension you'll see where I clearly stated that available data on this is thin.

If you were trying to argue in good faith you wouldn't have even put this up.

You may as well look at one courthouse and try to draw conclusions about what is happening everywhere in the country.

[TheSpoonald]

If you were trying to argue in good faith you wouldn't have even put this up.

You may as well look at one courthouse and try to draw conclusions about what is happening everywhere in the country.

If you have more complete stats, please post them.

[Poopadoop]

If you have more complete stats, please post them.

And if I don't should I just post some incomplete and misleading figures instead?