*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[TheSpoonald]

I didn't say that, don't conflate my argument with Oskar's.

It's really hard when you're both so fantastically dumb.

IIRC one of your arguments for having the Wall is to deter drug smuggling.

Yeah, "one of".

And I really don't care what you think the gov't says about "most drugs at ports of entry" or whatever bullshit line the mainstream media put through the spin cycle before beaming it straight to you brain.

Drugs are killing people. If you're 40 years old in America there is almost ZERO chance that you don't know someone who has died of a drug overdose. Life expectancy actually dropped for the first time in virtually forever.

Now if you're going to tell me that you KNOW where all those drugs are coming from, and how they are getting in here.....then the question is "why aren't they being stopped"?

Now your argument completely fucking fails. Because if you KNOW where the drugs are.....go get them!!! If drugs are getting in undetected, then by definition, you have no fucking idea how they get in here.

[oskar]

It's really hard when you're both so fantastically dumb.

Coming from the guy who thought Trump would never build a wall that could be climbed with a ladder. Meanwhile Trump built this pile of shit that you wouldn't even bother to bring a ladder for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz-9UOpnkHk

[Poopadoop]

Coming from the guy who thought Trump would never build a wall that could be climbed with a ladder. Meanwhile Trump build this pile of shit that you wouldn't even bother to bring a ladder for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz-9UOpnkHk

Come on now, it's called 'anti-climb' for a reason -it's replacing that 'pro-climb' wall they had under Obama!

[TheSpoonald]

Come on now, it's called 'anti-climb' for a reason -it's replacing that 'pro-climb' wall they had under Obama!

This is the least intellectually vapid thing you've posted this week

[Poopadoop]

It's really hard to think straight when I'm seeing red all day long

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Drugs are killing people. If you're 40 years old in America there is almost ZERO chance that you don't know someone who has died of a drug overdose. Life expectancy actually dropped for the first time in virtually forever.

Now if you're going to tell me that you KNOW where all those drugs are coming from, and how they are getting in here.....then the question is "why aren't they being stopped"?

Now your argument completely fucking fails. Because if you KNOW where the drugs are.....go get them!!! If drugs are getting in undetected, then by definition, you have no fucking idea how they get in here.

So you don't know where they're coming in, but you think building a Wall on one possible entry point is worthwhile. Ok, that's not so ridiculous I guess.

I just don't want you to expect the drug epidemic to stop the day after they finish the Wall. Just trying to manage your expectations there bud.

[TheSpoonald]

So you don't know where they're coming in, but you think building a Wall on one possible entry point is worthwhile. Ok, that's not so ridiculous I guess.

No one knows where they are coming in. The only drugs we are sure about are the drugs we find and confiscate. All of the rest of the drugs are more or less a mystery, at least to the public.

What we do know is that the drugs in the latter group kill people, and the drugs in the former group usually don't.

We also know that if we're catching thousands of pounds of drugs at ports of entry, then we're probably doing a good job at detecting them. Which means it's unlikely that drugs are moving through ports undetected.

So the undetected drugs must be coming through some other way. And if it's not ports of entry....then there aren't a lot of options left. It's either over land and a wall would stop it. Or its through underground tunnels, and a wall would stop that too. Or its coming via light aircraft, which would admittedly thwart a wall. However, since the wall is doing everything else, it's possible that we might have more available resources to patrol the skies.

[Poopadoop]

We also know that if we're catching drugs at ports of entry, then we're probably doing a good job at detecting them. Which means it's unlikely that drugs are moving through ports undetected.

Not really a fair judgment though. All you know is you're stopping x number of drugs from getting through poe's. You don't know how many are getting through. For all you know, you could only be catching 5%. I'm not saying that's the number, I'm saying the number could be anywhere between 0 and 100%, and you will never know what it is.

So the undetected drugs must be coming through some other way. And if it's not ports of entry....then there aren't a lot of options left. It's either over land and a wall would stop it. Or its through underground tunnels, and a wall would stop that too. Or its coming via light aircraft, which would admittedly thwart a wall. However, since the wall is doing everything else, it's possible that we might have more available resources to patrol the skies.

Again you don't have enough information to know what % of drugs come overland, and what % come in other ways the Wall can't deter. You also forget to account for the fact that blocking one route just diverts the traffic to other routes.

Basically you can't stop drug trade or even put a serious dent in it as long as the demand is there. Solving the drug epidemic starts from within.

[TheSpoonald]

You also forget to account for the fact that blocking one route just diverts the traffic to other routes

If I didn't know better, I might say you're arguing *for* a wall here

[Poopadoop]

If I didn't know better, I might say you're arguing *for* a wall here

Not really. I can see why people will think it will help, but people are wrong.

[TheSpoonald]

Not really. I can see why people will think it will help, but people are wrong.

So what?

That's a serious question. So what?

America voted for a wall. Who or what would ever presume to overrule that? And what kind of sick deranged narcissist would do so on the grounds that "those people are wrong".

[MadMojoMonkey]

Drugs are killing people. If you're 40 years old in America there is almost ZERO chance that you don't know someone who has died of a drug overdose. Life expectancy actually dropped for the first time in virtually forever.

Now if you're going to tell me that you KNOW where all those drugs are coming from, and how they are getting in here.....then the question is "why aren't they being stopped"?

Now your argument completely fucking fails. Because if you KNOW where the drugs are.....go get them!!! If drugs are getting in undetected, then by definition, you have no fucking idea how they get in here.

Where are the drugs coming from? Big pharma.
Why aren't they being gone and gotten? The FDA has approved them.
They aren't "getting in undetected" except that they are totally in and not getting "detected" because big money has pushed through gov't approval before the consequences were well known. (Not necessarily the fault of the pharma companies that produced and sold the drugs. It depends what they knew and when they knew it and how they responded when they found out.)

The American opioid epidemic is home-brewed, and doctor prescribed medications causing drug poisoning is far and away the leader in drug related deaths.
Are you excluding this from your analysis? If so, why?

[TheSpoonald]

Where are the drugs coming from? Big pharma.

OMG.....I almost want to just let you go through life being this stupid. You'd probably be happier thinking you're right and not knowing how completely bonkers this is. If you knew what you were really saying, you might get suicidal.

Heroin comes from Mexico. It's a fact. Look it up.

Why aren't they being gone and gotten? The FDA has approved them.

The FDA approved Heroin? Source?

It depends what they knew and when they knew it and how they responded when they found out

I think if you actually look into this, you'll be horrified.

The American opioid epidemic is home-brewed, and doctor prescribed medications causing drug poisoning is far and away the leader in drug related deaths.

Source?

Are you excluding this from your analysis? If so, why?

It's not a border issue,

Yes it's true that almost every heroin addict that has ever existed graduated to the drug after abusing prescription pain pills. Yes it's true that prescription pain pills took hold in this country through some corrupt means, and that's a tragedy. However, it seems to be under control now. If it weren't, people wouldn't be looking for heroin, they would just keep taking the pills.

[Poopadoop]

OMG.....I almost want to just let you go through life being this stupid. You'd probably be happier thinking you're right and not knowing how completely bonkers this is. If you knew what you were really saying, you might get suicidal.

I've also heard overprescription of opiods was a thing in the US. And if your doctor no longer gives you vicodin for your sore knee, you might be inclined to go looking for heroin.

Heroin comes from Mexico. It's a fact. Look it up.

Wait you agreed that you don't know where the drugs are coming from, or you'd stop them. But now you say you do know.

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If it weren't, people wouldn't be looking for heroin, they would just keep taking the pills.

You understand prescription opiates and heroin are just variants of the same drug right? So...listen carefully now.... Dr. Dinkus prescribes vicodin to his patient for a bad back for a year. What he doesn't know is his patient back no longer hurts and he's just hooked on the drug. The gov't tells Dr. Dinkus to stop prescribing so many opiates because, you know, epidemic, so Dr. Dinkus cuts his patient off. The patient goes to his local dealer and starts buying heroin.

And you wanna say Dr. Dinkus had no role in this chain of events?

[TheSpoonald]

And you wanna say Dr. Dinkus had no role in this chain of events?

I didn't say that. Nor did I say that I want to say that. In fact, I'm quite sure I've said the opposite.

Yes it's true that prescription pain pills took hold in this country through some corrupt means, and that's a tragedy.

As far as I know, Dr Dinkus has been called out, and the government has cracked down on Dinkus's everywhere.

How does continuing to talk about Dr. Dinkus solve the problem of the guy currently addicted to heroin?

[Poopadoop]

As far as I know, Dr Dinkus has been called out, and the government has cracked down on Dinkus's everywhere.

How does continuing to talk about Dr. Dinkus solve the problem of the guy currently addicted to heroin?

It shows the fallacy of the idea that making it harder for the guy to get drugs will keep him from taking them, for one thing.

[TheSpoonald]

It shows the fallacy of the idea that making it harder for the guy to get drugs will keep him from taking them, for one thing.

It's not a fallacy.

And you still haven't told me how we're gonna help heroin guy