*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[OngBonga]

But it's not a relevant question is it? It's like saying 'are you ok with Hitler putting people in concentration camps, but not Trump?'. Well no, he didn't say that...

Moreover, Trump is the one doing it now, so it seems timely to comment on what's happening now rather than 4 (or 80) years ago.

This isn't "whataboutism", I'm simply curious if oskar, or indeed you, hold Trump to different standards to other Presidents. And your language here is deliberately provocative. Do you suppose these children are being kept in the same conditions as prisoners of war? I don't.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump using secure military complexes to temporarily house immigrant children, so long as the conditions are suitable, and by that I mean they are getting proper medicine, education, exercise, food, care, entertainment etc, and so long as there is action with regards to finding a longer term solution.

First and foremost these children should be somewhere safe while they are processed.

[Poopadoop]

This isn't "whataboutism",

It absolutely is.

I'm simply curious if oskar, or indeed you, hold Trump to different standards to other Presidents.

And I'm simply pointing out that it's irrelevant because Obama is no longer in charge. If Obama were currently ruling a different country and doing the same thing as Trump, and we chose to only criticize one but not the other, you'd have a point.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump using secure military complexes to temporarily house immigrant children, so long as the conditions are suitable, and by that I mean they are getting proper medicine, education, exercise, food, care, entertainment etc, and so long as there is action with regards to finding a longer term solution.

First and foremost these children should be somewhere safe while they are processed.

I agree, and if you'd said that in the first place I wouldn't have taken issue with your post.

[oskar]

Everyone else: TY, got it.

Got what? Do you really think that my assessment on whether or not it is moral to forcibly separate children from their parents with no plan of reuniting them depends on who's doing it? Is that really what you think? I really don't get it. Is that really it? That was supposed to be a gotcha, and I'm supposed to go "oh shit! Obama did it? Well I guess it's ok then!" - ??? What the fuck is wrong with you?

This isn't "whataboutism", I'm simply curious if oskar, or indeed you, hold Trump to different standards to other Presidents. And your language here is deliberately provocative. Do you suppose these children are being kept in the same conditions as prisoners of war? I don't.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Obama or Trump using secure military complexes to temporarily house immigrant children, so long as the conditions are suitable, and by that I mean they are getting proper medicine, education, exercise, food, care, entertainment etc, and so long as there is action with regards to finding a longer term solution.

First and foremost these children should be somewhere safe while they are processed.

No, Ong, just saying "it's not whataboutism" doesn't make it not whataboutism. It is the dictionary definition of whataboutism. Person A points out that Y did a thing, then Person B says: but person Z also did that thing! It means nothing. So what!

Btw I'm with you in the last paragraph. As of last week there will be no education, no outdoor activities and no legal aid in these camps. The death toll is up to 22 in the past 2 years (ICE detention included). These are concentration camps. They are not nazi death camps, but they are concentration camps where undesirables are being held indefinitely. The forced family separation is cruel and unnecessary and it is being done with shameless neglect. Thousands of children have been taken from parents with no records kept. They cannot be reunited because the Trump administration did not document whose children they took. The UN has called it child abuse, which it obviously is. The Trump administration openly calls it a 'deterrent.' - They are hoping the prospect of having their child ripped from them will deter people from seeking asylum. This will be what Trump era US will be remembered for. An utterly impotent congress and blindsighted electorate during one of the worst human rights abuses in modern history.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Got what?

The clarification that ong's question wasn't about child separation, but about holding immigrants in facilities that were historically used as internment camps.

Do you really think that my assessment on whether or not it is moral to forcibly separate children from their parents with no plan of reuniting them depends on who's doing it?

I've made no statements on the subject whatsoever. I was merely clarifying a misunderstanding.
Asking your opinion is the opposite of stipulating your opinion for you.
Quoting from a link to show the context of the question isn't editorializing.

Is that really what you think?

No. Nothing you've said here has nothing to do with me whatsoever.

I really don't get it.

This much is clear.

Is that really it?

Still no.

That was supposed to be a gotcha, and I'm supposed to go "oh shit! Obama did it? Well I guess it's ok then!" - ???

Nope. It was supposed to clarify that the question and topic are not about family separation at all, but about the location of immigrant holding sites and their historical context.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I'm sure plenty, but nothing you've mentioned here is remotely on topic for either what went down, or for what I opine on any of these subjects.


Are you OK?
You're acting like a real jerk, here.
Don't be a jerk.