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[Poopadoop]

So Ong, are you going to admit that:

1. Trump actually intended Mexico to pay up front for the Wall; and

2. You can't explain how one country could pay for another country's building project 'economically' through tariffs or whatever else you vaguely remember Wuf saying before he went over to r_thedonald full time?

[spoonitnow]

1. Trump actually intended Mexico to pay up front for the Wall; and

It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.

[OngBonga]

It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.

Yeah, like "lock her up".

I don't think anyone seriously thought that was really going to happen.

[Poopadoop]

lol, and people are still contributing to this after the guy got caught buying himself a yacht. Lmfao at these retards.

https://uk.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

Oh wait,they claim to have built 2300 feet of wall now. So what only 4999.6 miles to go?

[Poopadoop]

It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.

If that were the case, Pena would not have been on the phone with him explicitly repeating 'we're not paying for your Wall, Mr. President.'

[spoonitnow]

If that were the case, Pena would not have been on the phone with him explicitly repeating 'we're not paying for your Wall, Mr. President.'

Pena is a politician as well. He's also not the brightest crayon in the box, bless his heart.

[Poopadoop]

Pena is a politician as well. He's also not the brightest crayon in the box, bless his heart.

Seriously thinking about starting a thread where people reply to every previous post with a non-sequitur.

[spoonitnow]

Seriously thinking about starting a thread where people reply to every previous post with a non-sequitur.

If you think this was a non-sequitur, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Pena had to give a politician's answer to save face and look like he was doing something against big bad daddy Trump no matter if he believed the whole mess or not.

And in case you didn't read that link I posted, here's Trump directly telling Nieto Mexico has to pay for the Wall.

You're thinking on too low of a level with this.

[Poopadoop]

If you think this was a non-sequitur, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Pena had to give a politician's answer to save face and look like he was doing something against big bad daddy Trump no matter if he believed the whole mess or not.



You're thinking on too low of a level with this.

No, you're thinking on too high of a level. You're ascribing a level of sophistication to their discussion that wasn't there. Trump told him he needed Mexico to pay for the Wall or they wouldn't negotiate any further on a trade deal, and Pena said what any ratonal person would say: no, sorry, not happening sir.

You can argue that Trump can't actually be that stupid, so it must be some 3D chess game he's playing, but the reality is he really can be that stupid. He's been that stupid before and he'll in all likelihood be that stupid again.

[spoonitnow]

It was a campaign line that got him elected. That was its only purpose.

I'll elaborate on this point a bit here instead of putting in an edit that will probably be missed due to new posts. I have two things to say, one of which is from a strategic heaven/"above the fray" perspective and the other of which is on a policy/action level.

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On a strategic heaven/"above the fray" level:

If we look at the primaries alone, Trump beat out 12+ of the top candidates that the Republican Party had to offer despite having virtually no experience with politics. What he does have the most experience with is marketing, and that is what he used to win.

The entire group of Republican names he was against were as boring as watching paint dry. None of them would have rallied the base sufficiently to beat Hillary Clinton, who was by far the most prolific politician in the entire race and probably the most prolific US politician of our time (possibly of the entire history of the country) to never win a presidential race.

No matter what people think of his policies (or lack thereof), there is no denying that his win was absolutely impressive.

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On a policy/action level:

For me personally, I love how much the MAGA agenda triggers the fuck out of people and makes them go absolutely insane. I will play this up to a tremendous degree because I enjoy the responses it gets.

All of that aside, Trump won because of the policy he put forward and represented having on immigration. The so-called "Muslim ban" was a good step in the direction of following what he's said with action, but it pretty much stopped there.

The people who voted for Trump, in general, want a much stricter set of criteria used for accepting refugees, federal funding cut for sanctuary cities, a wall built, illegal immigrants rounded up and deported. He was the first person to really tackle the immigration issue head-on in his campaign, and that focus combined with what I wrote above on a strategic level are why he won.

The problem is that he has dropped the ball in terms of action. Republicans had the thing locked up, and it was never pressed like it should have been.

If he loses reelection, then it will primarily be because the base doesn't show up because of the lack of action on the immigration issue.

[Poopadoop]

No matter what people think of his policies (or lack thereof), there is no denying that his win was absolutely impressive.

It's actually more impressive that Hillary managed to lose to him, given how unpopular he was. You can argue that Hillary was a really strong candidate because she was 'prolific' (whatever you mean by that, I guess 'high profile, experienced?'), but aside from that she had nothing. No new ideas, barely dragged herself out in public, spent half the time she was in public fainting or rolling her eyes at balloons.

A fairly large proportion of people who voted for her weren't thinking 'yay Hillary' but instead 'boo Trump.' That would certainly have been my sentiment had I been a voter.

And a lot of people who voted for Trump also would have voted for anyone who wasn't Hillary, including Bernie.

The 2016 election was like no other in recent history inasmuch as it was basically an unpopularity contest, and Hillary won by a few thousand votes in the rust belt. Trump made it close by being Trump, but seriously, anyone decent could have beat either Hillary or Trump to a pulp.

[Poopadoop]

For me personally, I love how much the MAGA agenda triggers the fuck out of people and makes them go absolutely insane. I will play this up to a tremendous degree because I enjoy the responses it gets.

You send any halfway controversial message to enough people and at least 5% of them will freak out. But then again, 5% of people will lose their shit playing a MMORPG too. There's probably some gene that controls that lol.

[Poopadoop]

And in case you didn't read that link I posted, here's Trump directly telling Nieto Mexico has to pay for the Wall.

The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that.