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[Poopadoop]

It's perfectly legal for Trump to encourage anyone anywhere to investigate anyone anywhere.

I think this needs qualification though. He can't encourage people to investigate someone for his personal gain. And especially not a foreign power.

Not saying he's the first one to do it, he's just the first one to do it so blatantly as to get caught.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I think this needs qualification though. He can't encourage people to investigate someone for his personal gain. And especially not a foreign power.

I'm no lawyer, but what I understand is that he can use his own personal resources to do things on his own behalf, and if that involves investigating a political rival, that's fine.

Using his words to encourage an investigation is not using national resources for his personal gain.
He can encourage China or any other nation to investigate Biden. He can hire China or any other nation with his own personal money to investigate Biden.

What he can't do is use US national resources for non-national gains. I.e. he cannot use taxpayer money to dig up dirt on his political rivals, whether or not any foreign nation is involved.

Not saying he's the first one to do it, he's just the first one to do it so blatantly as to get caught.

He's not technically been caught at anything, yet.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is still the standard, here.

[Poopadoop]

I'm no lawyer, but what I understand is that he can use his own personal resources to do things on his own behalf, and if that involves investigating a political rival, that's fine.

Using his words to encourage an investigation is not using national resources for his personal gain.
He can encourage China or any other nation to investigate Biden. He can hire China or any other nation with his own personal money to investigate Biden.

Well he did tell Russia to go find Hillary's emails and nothing happened. So yeah, I guess he can.

It confuses me though because I've heard that you can't accept help from a foreign power in an election. Presumably the same goes if you're an incumbent looking for dirt on your opponent. I'm not sure I understand where the lines get drawn here.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Well he did tell Russia to go find Hillary's emails and nothing happened. So yeah, I guess he can.

It confuses me though because I've heard that you can't accept help from a foreign power in an election. Presumably the same goes if you're an incumbent looking for dirt on your opponent. I'm not sure I understand where the lines get drawn here.

I think you're right. That exposes an assumption I had made, but not stated.

Violating election law is not the same as treason, and I was talking about treason.

[Poopadoop]

I think you're right. That exposes an assumption I had made, but not stated.

Violating election law is not the same as treason, and I was talking about treason.

But treason is giving aid to an enemy power in a time of war. So I don't think what he's done this time is treason. He's still working his way up to that lol.

[MadMojoMonkey]

But treason is giving aid to an enemy power in a time of war. So I don't think what he's done this time is treason. He's still working his way up to that lol.

Hmm..
Had to look it up. found this

Article III, Section III of the US Constitution says this:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

So you're probably right. It'd be a stretch to call this, "giving aid and comfort" to an enemy of the US.

...
Then what is the law he's supposedly breaking? Is it a constitutional law? Some legal precedent?

[Poopadoop]

Then what is the law he's supposedly breaking? Is it a constitutional law? Some legal precedent?

I'm not sure it's even a law per se that he's breaking. It's just such a blatant abuse of power that congress has to investigate?

[MadMojoMonkey]

WTF?
This is all just a campaign finance law violation?

Just shoot me now. He's not gonna get impeached over campaign finance, guys.
C'mon, guys.
Just...
c'mon

[Poopadoop]

WTF?
This is all just a campaign finance law violation?

Just shoot me now. He's not gonna get impeached over campaign finance, guys.
C'mon, guys.
Just...
c'mon

The US constitution states a president "shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanours".

I think this level of corruption counts as a "high crime and misdemeanour." And they'll probably throw in the obstruction as well.

[oskar]

I'm no lawyer, but what I understand is that he can use his own personal resources to do things on his own behalf, and if that involves investigating a political rival, that's fine.

Using his words to encourage an investigation is not using national resources for his personal gain.
He can encourage China or any other nation to investigate Biden. He can hire China or any other nation with his own personal money to investigate Biden.

What he can't do is use US national resources for non-national gains. I.e. he cannot use taxpayer money to dig up dirt on his political rivals, whether or not any foreign nation is involved.


He's not technically been caught at anything, yet.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is still the standard, here.

Dems are handling this horribly. Throw Hunter Biden under the bus! Of course the little shit got the job because his last name is Biden. Of course the company hired him because they were hoping for favors from the Vice President... How dumb do you think your voters are? Why are they even trying to deny that? Everyone knows how that works.

Current situation seems to be that the white house will not recognize impeachment as a thing. So it'll go to the Supreme court which will then decide if you still have a democracy. Fun times, huh?

[Poopadoop]

Current situation seems to be that the white house will not recognize impeachment as a thing.

And by doing so they're obstructing congress and/or justice depending on who you ask.

No-one even takes that stance seriously, everyone can see it's just a delaying tactic.

[Poopadoop]

He's not technically been caught convicted of anything, yet.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is still the standard, here.

He's definitely been caught.

If you have videotape of someone committing a murder AND he's id'd by a bunch of witnesses AND he has his fingerprints all over the gun, he's been caught. The conviction is a mere formality of law. Though more complicated in this case obviously because politics.