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    The brilliant thing about this is that they have been so brainfucked that what they mean by liberation is going back to work. Freedom is being a wage slave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    The brilliant thing about this is that they have been so brainfucked that what they mean by liberation is going back to work. Freedom is being a wage slave.
    What are your thoughts on how to improve reality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    What are your thoughts on how to improve reality?
    I don't understand the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I don't understand the question.
    ECON 101 on reality: humans have unlimited desires in a world of limited resources. To allocate resources to better meet desires, humans use their comparative advantages.

    The above is one of the reasons that "wage slavery" is a thing. People want to go back to their jobs because they get more of what they want by doing so than by doing something else. People are slaves to reality, and the wage is a part of the very effective model that improves our lives given our reality.

    Do you have a better model than the economics one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ECON 101 on reality: humans have unlimited desires in a world of limited resources. To allocate resources to better meet desires, humans use their comparative advantages.

    The above is one of the reasons that "wage slavery" is a thing. People want to go back to their jobs because they get more of what they want by doing so than by doing something else. People are slaves to reality, and the wage is a part of the very effective model that improves our lives given our reality.

    Do you have a better model than the economics one?
    I'll ignore your premise because I think it's extremely flawed, but also irrelevant.

    There absolutely is a scenario where you can work and not be a wage slave, and that is owning the means of production. Prime example for a company that does work that way is UPS. It is entirely self sustaining. There are no billionaire ceo's at the top doing their magic work, yet it functions more efficiently than comparable private companies.

    I find it very hard to understand how capitalists can justify having people like Jeff Bezos syphon billions in surplus from their companies for their personal pleasure while paying their employees minimum wage. I know all the magical thinking that makes you justify this... what it comes down to is you're saying it's worth the human suffering because you think the company is more successful under your model.
    I don't care about companies. I don't think there's any inherent value in being hyper efficient if it doesn't lead to better outcomes for everyone, and I disagree with the idea that capitalism is the more efficient model to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I'll ignore your premise because I think it's extremely flawed, but also irrelevant.

    There absolutely is a scenario where you can work and not be a wage slave, and that is owning the means of production. Prime example for a company that does work that way is UPS. It is entirely self sustaining. There are no billionaire ceo's at the top doing their magic work, yet it functions more efficiently than comparable private companies.

    I find it very hard to understand how capitalists can justify having people like Jeff Bezos syphon billions in surplus from their companies for their personal pleasure while paying their employees minimum wage. I know all the magical thinking that makes you justify this... what it comes down to is you're saying it's worth the human suffering because you think the company is more successful under your model.
    I don't care about companies. I don't think there's any inherent value in being hyper efficient if it doesn't lead to better outcomes for everyone, and I disagree with the idea that capitalism is the more efficient model to begin with.
    You might really enjoy reading some economics philosophy. An entire field of well-respected academia is based on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    You might really enjoy reading some economics philosophy. An entire field of well-respected academia is based on it.
    sounds great
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