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 Originally Posted by ong
do you think society is better today than it was 1000 years ago?
IDK. We do different things now. We have better tech. Better medicine.
In terms of civil rights, I think yes.
In terms of access to a variety of nourishing foods, yes.
In terms of the rise of technology and all that entails, I just think it's mostly different, not better.
In terms of our ability to organize and control a society, I think the same. The dominant religions of the world certainly haven't changed in the past 1000 years, and the popular forms of government haven't changed, either.
 Originally Posted by ong
Do you think that enforcing law and order on the street plays an important role in shaping our society into one where we are, for the most part, safe? Do you think without enforcement, we would be as safe as we are?
First of all. I want to be clear that I've never once said or implied that I'm opposed to enforcing laws.
Yes. I believe that enforcing social norms is part of maintaining a society.
What I question is if the form of enforcement we currently employ is remotely optimal - or if it is in fact antithetical to its own stated purposes. If it is antithetical to reducing crime, and is in fact increasing crime - even if only in some areas - that is definitely a problem to solve.
In my understanding, various communities are persecuted by police - for reasons that may not be fully the police's choice or intent.
This is a problem.
Not being persecuted by the police should not be a privilege; it should be a right.
 Originally Posted by ong
Do you think without enforcement, we would be as safe as we are?
IDK. It's a difficult question because safety has a cost. Ben Franklin famously said something akin to "Those who would trade freedom for security will lose both and deserve neither." Safety is a spectrum, too.
To give you an answer, some enforcement is necessary, but the current form of enforcement is flawed.
I'm asking how we can all work together to get better outcomes when it comes to law enforcement.
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