*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[Poopadoop]

Look at what happened to JFK. The guy's routinely going around in a motorcade waving at crowds, just like Eisenhower before him. At every event before Dallas, they're following strict security for the motorcades. That means, all buildings secured with no open windows, no driving below a certain speed (so no sharp corners), security on the running boards and motorcycle outriders surrounding the car, SS, local police and even military units all over the place.

Then one day they go to Dallas. Here, for some unknown reason, once they get to Dealey Plaza, every one of the above rules is violated. Windows in buildings are left open. The car makes a 135deg. turn onto Houston St., slowing down to 11 mph (I don't know what the minimum allowed speed was exactly but it was certainly higher than this. There's no SS on his running boards and the motorcycle outriders are reduced in number and kept behind the car (rather than next to it where they could serve as human meat shields). Local police told not to take part in security, and military units told to stand down. A few seconds later: Splat.

Point is there's precedence for the SOP of the SS to be compromised. To suggest it was an accident that ALL of these rules are broken in one time and place when they've been followed every other time is simply not plausible. The same applies to the Trump rally. There's no way you'll ever convince me the SS not doing their jobs that day was an accident

[OngBonga]

There's no way you'll ever convince me the SS not doing their jobs that day was an accident

I'm not convinced either.

You didn't reply to my reason for not thinking the SS allowed it to happen. They put their fucking heads in the way. Respond to that. For them to do that, they must either be feeling very lucky, or know the shooter won't target them.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm not convinced either.

You didn't reply to my reason for not thinking the SS allowed it to happen. They put their fucking heads in the way. Respond to that. For them to do that, they must either be feeling very lucky, or know the shooter won't target them.

Or those agents closest to the target weren't in on it.

But that does imply that at least some agents were willing to not only risk the lives of civilians in the background behind the target, but also their coworkers.

Not impossible, but less likely than incompetence.


Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence.
-Hanlon's Razor

[Poopadoop]

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence.
-Hanlon's Razor

Unlikely events sometimes happen. Unlikely != impossible.
-Poopadoop

I mean, quoting some glib phrase from whoever that guy is - and I don't care if it's Einstein - as if the quote itself counts as evidence contributes nothing to a debate.

[Poopadoop]

I'm not convinced either.

You didn't reply to my reason for not thinking the SS allowed it to happen. They put their fucking heads in the way. Respond to that. For them to do that, they must either be feeling very lucky, or know the shooter won't target them.

They couldn't very well play it out by just standing around doing nothing (or I guess according to you they could have, if they were having a bad day at work).

[OngBonga]

I guess you're reply with "they recruited the shooter", which takes us back to "why the fuck did they recruit an idiot who didn't even get in the school rifle club?"

[Poopadoop]

I guess you're reply with "they recruited the shooter", which takes us back to "why the fuck did they recruit an idiot who didn't even get in the school rifle club?"

I never said that they recruited the shooter to hit Trump in the ear. Your counterarguments are getting increasingly banana-esque.

[OngBonga]

I never said that they recruited the shooter to hit Trump in the ear. Your counterarguments are getting increasingly banana-esque.

I never said that it was someone having a bad day but that didn't stop you calling it my "theory".

It might have been someone having a bad day, but I didn't actually suggest that. I used the word "complacent", which doesn't just mean "bad day", it can mean standards slowly slipping over time.

I know you never actually said they recruited the shooter. I'm saying that, if it's staged, and for security to put their heads in line of fire, they must either not be in on it, or they know the shooter won't hit them. If it's the latter, then they must have recruited the shooter. So you don't think that? Glad that's cleared up. What do you think? That the guys who stuck their heads in the way aren't part of the plot?

However you look at it, any plot that involves the deep state trying to off Trump, or Trump pretending to have been shot to boost his popularity, involves some absurd mental gymnastics.

[Poopadoop]

I used the word "complacent", which doesn't just mean "bad day", it can mean standards slowly slipping over time.

But their standards would have to slip so low that even a mug like me can instantly recognise they're screwing up in a big way. Multiple big ways in fact. And then on top of that, that no-one notices this level of complacency and no-one raises it with someone higher up.

they must either not be in on it

The fewer people who actually know what's going on the better. The personal detail around Trump doesn't have to know or do anything out of the ordinary. They're told on the radio "Agent Orange is clear, take him on stage," they follow that order, then when the bullets start flying off they jump in.

It's whoever's the local SS commander giving the orders you'd want to question. They're the one leaving the roof uncovered, they're the ones letting AO out in the open with an active threat about.

they must have recruited the shooter.

I don't know. If it was staged, then he might have been "recruited," but only as a patsy. They put blanks in his gun and the real shots came from somewhere else. They might not even have recruited him in any real sense - they might have found out from his internet and phone history (the real one, not the one they're reporting to us which appears to be non-existent) what he had in mind and just let him up on the roof, but replaced the bullets in the gun he hid with blanks. If they're foiling attempts all the time, then certainly they could pick one to let play out while eliminating any real danger that Trump gets shot.

OTOH, if it was a real attempt to bump off Agent Orange, he's still a patsy and could have live ammo or not. They're hardly going to get a world-class sniper to agree to set up on a roof in the middle of things where he's definitely going to get killed. They'd put the real shooter a longer distance away, defo out of camera range and the sight of nosy civvies. Wherever the Butler PA equivalent of the grassy knoll is, they'd put him there.

The problem with the latter scenario is it would only take one cop or agent doing their job properly to suss out the patsy kid and put a cap in his ass. If the patsy's already dead your whole plan would be screwed.

However you look at it, any plot that involves the deep state trying to off Trump, or Trump pretending to have been shot to boost his popularity, involves some absurd mental gymnastics.

Any explanation that has the SS commander on the spot suddenly being so incompetent that even I could have done a better job makes about the same amount of sense as any other scenario I outlined. Add to that the fact that the kid was a walking red flag on the day and no-one managed to stop him before he got in position and supposedly started shooting. It's all just too fishy.