*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

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[spoonitnow]

They folded like a blanket.

ART OF THE DEAL

[BananaStand]

They folded like a blanket.

ART OF THE DEAL

The hilarious part is that I'm seeing a lot of dems tout alot of BS about a "victory" for CHIP and DACA.

What keeps not getting mentioned is that they were offered that same deal on Friday and decided to shut the government down anyway.

[BananaStand]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/o...pgtype=article

They hate us, cuz they ain't us.

[wufwugy]

Weren't all the remaining teams in the playoffs at one point all non-kneelers?

[BananaStand]

Weren't all the remaining teams in the playoffs at one point all non-kneelers?

I know some Patriots were kneelers at one point in the season. Though that was the week Trump opened his mouth about it and just about everyone knelt.

I think most teams/players got the message that kneeling during the anthem accomplishes nothing in terms of communicating the message they actually want to communicate.

Last week I saw the Patriots all stand side-by-side, right hand on their heart, left hand on the shoulder of the person next to them. Not sure if there was a message or demonstration in that or what. Maybe it's just a 'team unity' thing. I only saw it last week, but they don't usually televise the anthem anyway, so I probably wouldn't have noticed on any other week.

[spoonitnow]

I'm like lol keep fucking around and embarrassing yourself and your team. That'll go well.

[BananaStand]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ropaganda.html

Too funny

[wufwugy]

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...ropaganda.html

Too funny

What's amazing to me is that I think that there is so much intense hatred of Trump that some people are constructing delusions and acting them out just to prove their egos are correct. I mean, is there much of a chance that NBC would undergo such a glaringly stupid operation and make such mistakes otherwise?

At this rate, Peaceful and Beloved Kim Jong-un could run for US President and probably get 45% of the vote.

[BananaStand]

At this rate, Peaceful and Beloved Kim Jong-un could run for US President and probably get 45% of the vote.

He does have some very effective policies to combat obesity.

[wufwugy]

He does have some very effective policies to combat obesity.

And look at how well he has stood up to a warmongering tyrant meanie.

[spoonitnow]

CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP LOL SUCK IT LOSERS BERNIE 2020 MY ASS

[wufwugy]

i give it maybe 2% chance clinton and obama will face criminal charges.

[spoonitnow]

LOCK HER UP

[wufwugy]

barry is the bigger criminal.

any ordinary citizen would get life for spying like that.

[spoonitnow]

CUCK NEWS NETWORK

IT'S, LIKE, VERY FAKE NEWS

[BananaStand]

CUCK NEWS NETWORK

IT'S, LIKE, VERY FAKE NEWS

I had it on while I was cooking dinner yesterday. They can't go 8 seconds without using the word "impeachment"

They were also tickled with themselves for reporting that the FBI lovers texts about a "secret society" was "probably just a joke"

Since when is "probably" worth reporting as news?

It's also worth mentioning that they had no source with any familiarity with the situation making that determination. They had no clue what the joke might have been about, or why it was supposed to be funny. They just spent 15 minutes roasting republicans for seeing monsters under the bed.

Trey Gowdy told Fox something like "I'm an investigator, and when I see people talking about "secret society", I'm compelled to ask them what they meant"

There is no accusation or innuendo whatsoever in that statement. There isn't even a hint of suspicion. He's just stating a fact about the evidence he was given, and that his job is to follow up. Factual, measured, professional. Yet CNN played that clip as if he was some crackpot conspiracy theorist chasing ghosts.

[wufwugy]

cookie cutter news

[spoonitnow]

cookie cutter news

lol

[spoonitnow]

Advertising dollars and political influence are the incentives. Everything else just follows from that.

[BananaStand]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/2...ess-it-happens

And everybody better pony up some extra taxes so the government can afford to send more people to college to get stupid.

[spoonitnow]

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/2...ess-it-happens

And everybody better pony up some extra taxes so the government can afford to send more people to college to get stupid.

Brilliant.

[BananaStand]

I've seen others. The best one so far asked Bernie supporters to comment on Trump policies, except the policies they cited were actually Bernie's.

[forkitnow]

I've seen others. The best one so far asked Bernie supporters to comment on Trump policies, except the policies they cited were actually Bernie's.

This is the typical misinformation campaign that the oppressor uses in an effort to take advantage of disadvantaged people to try to discredit the fact that they are oppressed by a society that systematically cuts them off at the knees at every opportunity.

[BananaStand]

Cute Couple

[BananaStand]

This whole Rob Porter situation just feels like the Dems are desperate for a scandal.

[spoonitnow]

This whole Rob Porter situation just feels like the Dems are desperate for a scandal.

Yep.

[BananaStand]

Stormy Daniels is going to "tell her story"

I can only imagine her story is "I'm a slut who fucks rich guys"

But there is a more interesting story here. After two years of incessant and downright nasty media bullying, Melania is about to become the most sympathetic figure in America.

[BananaStand]

Evangelicals sold their soul to beat Hillary. Now it looks like they want it back.

Anyone else notice that Mike Lindell, the 'My Pillow Guy', shows off a crucifix in the new commercials?

[wufwugy]

Evangelicals sold their soul to beat Hillary.

They did? How so?

[BananaStand]

They did? How so?

They supported a guy who was a democrat for the first 3/4 of his life, is obviously pro-choice despite his recent claims during the campaign, has multiple divorces, and countless allegations of adultery.

maybe 'sold their soul' isn't a perfectly apt phrase.

But they clearly decided that they do not need a President to be a moral leader. They decided Jesus was enough for that purpose. I think there was a clear shift where voting stopped being about values, and all about policy.

I'm predicting that will result in a lot more preachy-ness to compensate. And right now, exhibit A is the Pillow Guy

[wufwugy]

who is the pillow guy? what are these evangelicals doing that shows they want their souls back now?

[BananaStand]

who is the pillow guy?

Are you serious here? You haven't heard of "My Pillow"?

what are these evangelicals doing that shows they want their souls back now?

For the third time now.....

They gave up having elections as a platform for preaching. they're going to find other ways to put jesus in your face.

[BananaStand]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...Asu?li=BBnb7Kz

This is pathetic

[OngBonga]

How do these illiterate fucks get jobs writing articles for news companies? Oh yeah, by being shamelessly biased.

[BananaStand]

They are rapidly running out of credible ways to criticize Trump on policy, fitness for office, mental stability, and criminal fantasies. Now they are trying to find inconsistencies in Trump's virtue signaling

Trump says he wouldn't shit his pants if he were in the shoes of an armed, trained, and sworn peace officer. But that cant be true cuz he was startled by an eagle once while sitting in his office.

If this is the shit they're spewing now....what's gonna be left by 2020?

[wufwugy]

They are rapidly running out of credible ways to criticize Trump on policy, fitness for office, mental stability, and criminal fantasies. Now they are trying to find inconsistencies in Trump's virtue signaling

Trump says he wouldn't shit his pants if he were in the shoes of an armed, trained, and sworn peace officer. But that cant be true cuz he was startled by an eagle once while sitting in his office.

If this is the shit they're spewing now....what's gonna be left by 2020?

Is this new though? These low thinkers have always gone petty.

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Is this new though? These low thinkers have always gone petty.

Cherry picking.

[BananaStand]

Is this new though? These low thinkers have always gone petty.

I don't know man. We might be witnessing a new low

[OngBonga]

I don't give a crap if he would or wouldn't go running into a school unarmed to contront a gunman. We've all made bravado comments like that, he's echoing what tens of millions of people are saying in USA after it turned out that cop stood outside holding his dick. It doesn't matter if it's sincere, it reflects public outrage.

Of course, Trump is more worthy of their contempt for what he said than the cop who did nothing.

[BananaStand]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/28/asia/...ntl/index.html

This reads like democrat fan-fiction.

I kinda hope it's true though. I hope she actually has videos of Trump getting kinky with Russian hookers.

I can't wait to see Elizabeth Warren's stupid stunned face and concession speech when Trump still wins

[wufwugy]

While he's complimenting his favorite gorilla Ook Ook on his hitting technique.

[BananaStand]

The whole video is good, but the best part starts at 3:57. Watch Tucker's face

https://youtu.be/zsu7wGbpzmo

[wufwugy]

The whole video is good, but the best part starts at 3:57. Watch Tucker's face

https://youtu.be/zsu7wGbpzmo

One thing Tucker is not quite correct on is the overpopulation causing high cost of living. That's not true, though statistics will show that *association* (doesn't mean causation). It would have been better if instead Tucker related that to how the politicians and the voters have made the cost of living in California extremely high by restricting housing. That's probably the main driver of the cost of living heights in California. Interesting to note, Texas also has a ton of immigration from Latin America and it has a burgeoning tech hub like Silicon Valley, yet its cost of living is quite low. This is because Texas has much more free housing policy.

On a side point, if California was a real free market, its housing costs would probably become so low that they would compare to some places like Wyoming. But that would mean no more views for the incumbent owners of housing and very little skyline, both due to tall-ass apartment complexes one after another after another.

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Trump in televised meeting about gun control



Trump meeting with the NRA behind closed doors



Trump after NRA meeting

[BananaStand]

California doesn't restrict housing. You can set up a tent wherever you want

[BananaStand]

Did hollywood really just go through a year of feminist revolution and then give an Oscar to Kobe Bryant??

Did that really happen??

[OngBonga]

"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter."

Murky...

I had no idea who he is, had to google that one.

[BananaStand]

Murky....

It's a lot less murky than other incidents that have been used as a basis to destroy people's careers.

[OngBonga]

In fairness, I'm of the opinion that the Oscars are given out based on merit, not based on character. They are Acadamy Awards, not morality prizes.

I have no idea if he's deserving of his award.

[wufwugy]

I'm of the opinion that the Oscars are given out based on merit

Even that, they're not, not well at all.

The Oscars is professionals judging professionals. This is a skin in the game problem. You want consumers judging professionals.

[BananaStand]

The Oscars is professionals judging professionals. This is a skin in the game problem. You want consumers judging professionals.

nah, consumers have no skin in the game to pick the best movies or performances. They'll just pick what's most popular. Winning will be less about strong performance, and more about how many times you were on Jimmy Fallon, or how many funny car insurance commercials you do.

This is demonstrated whenever they have fan-voting for all-star games in sports. There's usually some superstar who is immensely popular but missed 3/4 of the season with an injury and therefore has no business in the all-star game.

[wufwugy]

nah, consumers have no skin in the game to pick the best movies or performances. They'll just pick what's most popular. Winning will be less about strong performance, and more about how many times you were on Jimmy Fallon, or how many funny car insurance commercials you do.

This is demonstrated whenever they have fan-voting for all-star games in sports. There's usually some superstar who is immensely popular but missed 3/4 of the season with an injury and therefore has no business in the all-star game.

Fans already pick the best movies. The academy goes by criteria that less reflects skin in the game. They also get it quite wrong even on their own criteria, which makes a bunch of sense given the academy is a clique isolated from the reality of their opinions.

[BananaStand]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...DAr?li=BBnb7Kz

I'm stunned that there are professional journalists out there that would actually have the balls to cite Christopher Steele as a credible source of news.

[CoccoBill]

So what exactly do you mean by him not being a credible source?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...p-dossier.html

[BananaStand]

So what exactly do you mean by him not being a credible source?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...p-dossier.html

Did you even read the link you posted?

[CoccoBill]

Of course I did. I ask again, what exactly do you mean by him not being a credible source?

[BananaStand]

Of course I did. I ask again, what exactly do you mean by him not being a credible source?

His efforts were financed by Hillary. Everything he did, every piece of "research" that he compiled was financially incentivized to benefit Hillary and hurt Trump.

He is quoted by DOJ officials as saying he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”

The sources of much of the information in his dossier are known Clinton associates like Sydney Blumenthal.

Steele was FIRED by the FBI for leaking to the press in an effort to use his work to enhance his personal fame.

And let's not forget the simple fact that much of the information reported by Steele are obvious blatant fantasies. For example, he alleges that Carter Page facilitated meetings between Trump and the Russians, and in return Page was given an ownership stake in a Russian energy firm. That sounds plausible until you realize that the reported shares would be worth $11 billion fucking dollars!!! Yet instead of living the lifestyle of a Russian billionaire.... Page is making a living doing appearances on Hannity.

[CoccoBill]

His efforts were financed by Hillary. Everything he did, every piece of "research" that he compiled was financially incentivized to benefit Hillary and hurt Trump.

He is quoted by DOJ officials as saying he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”

The sources of much of the information in his dossier are known Clinton associates like Sydney Blumenthal.

You make it sound like I shouldn't trust FOX on their reporting on democrats.

Steele was FIRED by the FBI for leaking to the press in an effort to use his work to enhance his personal fame.

Or he leaked the data as retaliation for Comey opening the investigation on Hillary at the end of the campaign and the FBI never paying him for his job.

And let's not forget the simple fact that much of the information reported by Steele are obvious blatant fantasies. For example, he alleges that Carter Page facilitated meetings between Trump and the Russians, and in return Page was given an ownership stake in a Russian energy firm. That sounds plausible until you realize that the reported shares would be worth $11 billion fucking dollars!!! Yet instead of living the lifestyle of a Russian billionaire.... Page is making a living doing appearances on Hannity.

Ehh. No one claims Page got $11bn. Gazprom sold $11bn of it's shares to Glencore Plc, a multinational commodity trader, seemingly as a way to circumvent the sanctions.

Until being fired, Steele actually had a long business relationship with the FBI and was considered a credible and reliable source. The only reason to question his credibility seems to be his anti-Trump bias. Now that's a one thing, but for example Page's congressional testimony already has corroborated many of the things in the dossier, so it's quite clearly at the very least not all bs.

I ask again, what actual reasons are there to question Steele "as a credible source of news", besides your bias against him for attacking Trump?

[MadMojoMonkey]

His efforts were financed by Hillary. Everything he did, every piece of "research" that he compiled was financially incentivized to benefit Hillary and hurt Trump.

ad hominem

He is quoted by DOJ officials as saying he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.”

ad hominem

The sources of much of the information in his dossier are known Clinton associates like Sydney Blumenthal.

ad hominem

Steele was FIRED by the FBI for leaking to the press in an effort to use his work to enhance his personal fame.

ad hominem

And let's not forget the simple fact that much of the information reported by Steele are obvious blatant fantasies. For example, he alleges that Carter Page facilitated meetings between Trump and the Russians, and in return Page was given an ownership stake in a Russian energy firm. That sounds plausible until you realize that the reported shares would be worth $11 billion fucking dollars!!! Yet instead of living the lifestyle of a Russian billionaire.... Page is making a living doing appearances on Hannity.

non-sequitur / circumstancial


Not one logical thought in this post.

[BananaStand]

ad hominem

So?

Let's say a cop gives you a bullshit ticket. Then you find out that the cop was out the night before ranting about how much he hates monkeys, and he's gonna give a ticket to any monkey he sees, no matter what.

Would you just pay the ticket because your only defense is ad-hominem?

[OngBonga]

I ask again, what actual reasons are there to question Steele "as a credible source of news", besides your bias against him for attacking Trump?

Besides banana's bias? I think it's Steele's bias that makes him lack credibility. banana isn't working for Fox.

[Poopadoop]

banana isn't working for Fox.

... but he parrots them regularly.

[OngBonga]

It doesn't matter. My point is that who cares if bananas is biased? He's arguing shit with a handful of people in some shitty corner of the internet, he is not influencial. Steele's bias is a different matter. He has infleunce, people read what he has to say. He has financial bias, he has political bias. He has zero credibility when it comes to matters that involve Trump, precisely zero.

Slightly less than banana would have if he was writing an article about Trump.

[Poopadoop]

So where do you imagine to find this entirely objective source of information that's never heard of Trump and has no opinion on him one way or the other?

The person's bias is irrelevant to the evidence presented. If a cop finds a black man with a smoking gun standing over a person with a bullet in their head, it doesn't matter if he's a card-carrying racist if he argues the man with the gun is probably the murderer.

Though I'd add it does matter because that guy's defense team will try to undermine the cop's credibility by saying he's biased and so any evidence he reports must lack credibility. Kinda like the story we're being fed about Steele.

[BananaStand]

GRRRRRR.....you're so close. But your stubbornness just won't let you embrace reason.

So where do you imagine to find this entirely objective source of information that's never heard of Trump and has no opinion on him one way or the other?

Law enforcement, but only if they have probably cause to investigate a crime. There are people who are professional investigators, bound by oath, with skin in the game, to objectively serve justice.

That was not Steele's job. Steele's job was to dig up dirt on Trump. That is precisely what he was hired to do. Asking how you find an objective source for that is pure stupidity. As if it was ever possible that Steele would report back to Clinton that Trump was "clean as a whistle".

The person's bias is irrelevant to the evidence presented. If a cop finds a black man with a smoking gun standing over a person with a bullet in their head, it doesn't matter if he's a card-carrying racist if he argues the man with the gun is probably the murderer.

The bias becomes extremely relevant if you found out that before he started his shift, the cop was offered money to impugn a black person

Though I'd add it does matter because that guy's defense team will try to undermine the cop's credibility by saying he's biased and so any evidence he reports must lack credibility.

Fine. Let a judge hear both sides. Let a neutral arbiter of the law weigh the facts and make a decision. But the Steele dossier was used to secure a surveillance warrant on Carter Page WITHOUT the court knowing of its financial and political bias.

[Poopadoop]

GRRRRRR.....you're so close. But your stubbornness just won't let you embrace reason.


Law enforcement, but only if they have probably cause to investigate a crime. There are people who are professional investigators, bound by oath, with skin in the game, to objectively serve justice.

That was not Steele's job. Steele's job was to dig up dirt on Trump. That is precisely what he was hired to do. Asking how you find an objective source for that is pure stupidity. As if it was ever possible that Steele would report back to Clinton that Trump was "clean as a whistle".

Regardless of the motives of those who hired him, if the evidence is damning, it's damning. Unless you can prove he fabricated the evidence, then it doesn't matter if the evidence came from Steele, Fox News, or Trump's mother-in-law. It's still evidence.

The bias becomes extremely relevant if you found out that before he started his shift, the cop was offered money to impugn a black person

What if the report of a black man with a smoking gun is corroborated by others? Do you automatically assume they're all in on the conspiracy?

Fine. Let a judge hear both sides. Let a neutral arbiter of the law weigh the facts and make a decision. But the Steele dossier was used to secure a surveillance warrant on Carter Page WITHOUT the court knowing of its financial and political bias.

So says Nunes. Why is he suddenly the arbiter of truth? The same guy who ran to WH in the middle of the night to report to DJT about the investigation of him. Doesn't seem like an objective person to me.

Just curious - did you read the dems reply to the Nunes memo?

[BananaStand]

Regardless of the motives of those who hired him, if the evidence is damning, it's damning. Unless you can prove he fabricated the evidence, then it doesn't matter if the evidence came from Steele, Fox News, or Trump's mother-in-law. It's still evidence.

What would you consider "proof of fabrication"? It is known that a lot of the information was fed to him by known Clinton associates like Sydney Blumenthal. That's like me doing a background check on a potential employee by asking his mother if he's a "good boy".

Other parts of the dossier are so fantastical that they could only be fabricated. For example, Page getting 4 times Trump's net worth in exchange for setting up a meeting.

Also, the FBI used all of the resources at its disposal and was not able to verify any information in the dossier. Comey described it as "salacious and unverified" AFTER he had already used it as evidence in a surveillance warrant. [ sounds like a fireable offense ]

What if the report of a black man with a smoking gun is corroborated by others? Do you automatically assume they're all in on the conspiracy?

Nothing in the steel dossier is corroborated. The FBI director described it as "salacious and unverified"

So says Nunes. Why is he suddenly the arbiter of truth? The same guy who ran to WH in the middle of the night to report to DJT about the investigation of him. Doesn't seem like an objective person to me.

It was announced this week that the DOJ has found Nunes credible enough to launch an investigation into this. There are widespread and growing calls for transcripts to be released. Eventually they will be. And we'll see what the court actually knew.

Just curious - did you read the dems reply to the Nunes memo?

Yes. It says "we had more of a reason to investigate Page beyond the dossier". Except it doesn't say what that is. It also says that they believe that the warrant would have been issued even without the dossier. However, the provide no other evidence that would have resulted in the warrant being issued. Furthermore, Deputy FBI Director is on record saying that there is no way they would have gotten a warrant for Page without the Steele dossier.

[CoccoBill]

https://www.politico.eu/article/devi...topher-steele/

[BananaStand]

https://www.politico.eu/article/devi...topher-steele/

*yawn*

[MadMojoMonkey]

It doesn't matter if the report is written by Hillary and one of Putin's aids.
It's the content of the memo which needs to be discredited, not the motive of the people who wrote the memo.

[BananaStand]

It doesn't matter if the report is written by Hillary and one of Putin's aids.

You can not be serious

EDIT: Do you really wanna live in a world where one competitor in an election can invent an accusation out of thin air, then back-channel it to law enforcement, and have it be credible??? You're making it really really really hard for me to stop calling you Pollyanna

It's the content of the memo which needs to be discredited, not the motive of the people who wrote the memo.

The FBI attempted to verify the information in the dossier. They couldn't. Not a single word.

[OngBonga]

So where do you imagine to find this entirely objective source of information that's never heard of Trump and has no opinion on him one way or the other?

No, fair point. Your average journo in London who has clearly heard of Trump and surely has an opinion is precisely as credible as someone on Clinton's payroll.

[BananaStand]

One thing we have learned definitively from the Mueller investigation, is Russia's motive. It was announced along with the indictments of the 13 Russians a few weeks ago, that Russia sought to "sow discord". This echoes the multiple-agency report from the fall of 2016 that alleged the same motive.

Let me repeat that, it is the researched opinion of every intelligence agency in America and Robert Mueller that Russia's motive was to "sow discord". If you're agnostic about this...fuck you.

Now, how does this relate to Steele?

I am certainly not alleging that Steele intentionally lied in his dossier. I'm not alleging that he imagined the information that is contained in his dossier. I believe that has served the FBI, and before that his own pansy-ball loving country, well in the past. I believe that he has Russian contacts that have given him useful and credible information on past cases. I believe some of these contacts may have been sources of information in the dossier.

But who does these people ACTUALLY work for?

Spoiler: Show

Putin

And who's the ass-hole trying to sow discord?

Spoiler: Show

Same guy

Any questions?

[BananaStand]

I just heard something else interesting regarding the Russia allegations.

They say it started when Popadopoulous was drunk as shit and ranting at a London bar about his Russian contacts. This was overheard by an Australian diplomat, who told the Brits, who told the FBI.

It was just reported today that the Australian diplomat once gave $25 million to the Clinton Foundation.