*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[OngBonga]

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Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider.

[OngBonga]

Murray goes on to point out that if the Yanks knew who the leak/hack was, they would be relentlessly pursuing them, regardless of their nationality. The evidence for that is currently residing at the Ecuadorian Embassy.

America have no idea who it was, and it certainly wasn't the Russians.

[wufwugy]

It's not like the media pushing this story hasn't been caught in blatant lies many, many, many, many, many times over the election cycle. Their credibility is gone.

[Savy]

It's not like the media pushing this story hasn't been caught in blatant lies many, many, many, many, many times over the election cycle. Their credibility is gone.

The media losing credibility for lying

[wufwugy]

Found y'all new wallpaper

[wufwugy]

[wufwugy]

[wufwugy]

Homicide in Mozambique!

[OngBonga]

More from Craig Murray on the claim that Russia is behind the "hacks" relating to Clinton...

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...uses-keyboard/

[wufwugy]

Sorry, opposite of a shitpost, can't help it

[wufwugy]

y'all boring af

[Savy]

y'all boring af

The last thing you posted never even appeared.

[wufwugy]

The last thing you posted never even appeared.

tried to d-v the gifv

http://i.imgur.com/1GfW0D2.mp4

[CoccoBill]

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/the-...ericas-expense

[wufwugy]

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/the-...ericas-expense

opening paragraph is the onion.

[wufwugy]

[a500lbgorilla]

[wufwugy]

lol that is funny

[wufwugy]

Too many lols

[Savy]

He only started giving it the big one when Obama was leaving, if anything he thinks Trump will be the bitch. Otherwise why bother trying to gain status if Trump is going to "run" things.

[wufwugy]

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

[Poopadoop]

lol, President von Clownstick

Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!

[wufwugy]

You gotta admit he's gangster at pwnage. Nothing beats his godstomping letter to Mark Cuban, but this will do for the New Year.

[Poopadoop]

Who's he pwning? He sounds like a goofy teenager.

[wufwugy]

pwnage is the language of teenagers.

stuffy is the language of those who can't pwn.

[Poopadoop]

Exactly. It's the kind of language that makes teenagers respect you and adults think you're a social moron.

[wufwugy]

I agree that adults have a long way to go to respecting pwnage.

[Poopadoop]

They do. Just like Trump has a ways to go to becoming an adult.

[OngBonga]

No, sorry, but adult is defined by age, and not by an individual's concept of how an adult behaves.

[Poopadoop]

Hmm, if I change the meaning of what he said so it becomes about biological age rather than maturity, then I can make it sound like he was talking nonsense

well played.

[wufwugy]

Serious adult when it matters; blasting dorks when it matters.

[Poopadoop]

Yup, blasting Vanity Fair, SNL, Hamilton, etc. were all matters of national security. Had nothing to do with being a narcissistic baby. Lol what a clown.

[OngBonga]

Oh I see. So maturity is what defines "adult" to you. Sadly, this is a poor measure, for the simple reason "maturity" is open to interpretation. Age is not, which is why I prefer this measure.

Being petulant and obnoxious is not behaviour exclusive to children. We're talking about a 70 y/o billionaire here. Saying he's not an adult is about as effective insult as saying he's not American.

[CoccoBill]

saying he's not American.

Have you seen his long form birth certificate?

[OngBonga]

Have you seen his long form birth certificate?

No, but I haven't seen yours either.

[Poopadoop]

Oh I see. So maturity is what defines "adult" to you. Sadly, this is a poor measure, for the simple reason "maturity" is open to interpretation. Age is not, which is why I prefer this measure.

Why would I contest that he's over 18? You're trying to make the argument about something completely different - because you know I'm right.

Being petulant and obnoxious is not behaviour exclusive to children. We're talking about a 70 y/o billionaire here. Saying he's not an adult is about as effective insult as saying he's not American.

Effective is subjective. It makes me laugh and that's good enough for me.

[JKDS]

You're saying adults can never act childish, because they are older than children?

[OngBonga]

Why would I contest that he's over 18? You're trying to make the argument about something completely different - because you know I'm right.

But you're not right, which is the only reason I'm even bothering to argue this point. Whether you like it or not, Donald Trump is an adult. Google the word "adult" and see what it actually means. It's a very different definition to "mature".

You're saying adults can never act childish, because they are older than children?

No, I'm saying that if an adult acts like a child, he is still an adult. If a dog goes meow, is it a cat? No, it's a fucking dog.

[Poopadoop]

But you're not right, which is the only reason I'm even bothering to argue this point. Whether you like it or not, Donald Trump is an adult. Google the word "adult" and see what it actually means. It's a very different definition to "mature".

You're absolutely right that a literal interpretation of what I said did not match what I meant. Good job on picking that up.

No, I'm saying that if an adult acts like a child, he is still an adult. If a dog goes meow, is it a cat? No, it's a fucking dog.

If a dog goes meow and starts trying to fuck cats, and you say 'he has a long way to go to becoming a dog', you're not actually disputing whether or not he's really a dog. You're saying he's not acting like a dog.

You see, in language sometimes people use single words like 'adult' to stand in for 'act like an adult', since they assume other people have the sense to figure out the true meaning from the context.

[Poopadoop]

It's like if I called you a window-licking retard for making a big deal out of how I used the word 'adult' there. It wouldn't mean I actually think you lick windows and have an IQ below seventy since you clearly don't, it would be a way of expressing what I think of your behavior.

[OngBonga]

It's like if I called you a window-licking retard for making a big deal out of how I used the word 'adult' there.

At this point I'd just like to remind you of the title of this thread.

I don't think you can tell yet when I'm being serious and when I'm not. This is pure pedantry on my part. I'm not making a big deal of it, I'm being a dick, and you're making a big deal of it by not just saying "yes ong, you're technically right, well done, now shut up".

[Poopadoop]

At this point I'd just like to remind you of the title of this thread.

I don't think you can tell yet when I'm being serious and when I'm not. This is pure pedantry on my part. I'm not making a big deal of it, I'm being a dick, and you're making a big deal of it by not just saying "yes ong, you're technically right, well done, now shut up".

The thing that makes my responses to your being a dick so clever is that by acting like i was taking your bullshit seriously, I made you think I actually believed you were really dumb enough to believe the crap you were saying.

Live and learn, grasshopper. Live and learn.

[OngBonga]

Dogs behave like dogs. It's our human interpretation of how we think dogs should act, and indeed cats, that has us thinking "that dog has a long way to go before he's acting like a dog".

If you think a 70 y/o man is not acting like an adult, Mr Trump doesn't need to change his behaviour to become an adult, you need to change your criteria.

[Poopadoop]

It's our human interpretation of how we think dogs should act, and indeed cats, that has us thinking "that dog has a long way to go before he's acting like a dog".

Not at all. We see patterns of behavior in dogs and cats that are different. Thus it's easy to conjure up examples of how they behave differently.

If you think a 70 y/o man is not acting like an adult, Mr Trump doesn't need to change his behaviour to become an adult, you need to change your criteria.

Mr. Trump doesn't get to write the playbook on how adults behave. If he acts in ways that are more typical of a juvenile than a grown man, then pointing that out it is perfectly legitimate. In fact it's what a lot of people do with Mr. Trump.

[wufwugy]

Tired of not winning yet?

[OngBonga]

Mr. Trump doesn't get to write the playbook on how adults behave.

Neither do you. That's because there is no playbook. And that's why your initial comment is nothing but empty rhetoric.

[OngBonga]

Get in! I got you to think I was taking you seriously! Suck a dick!

[Poopadoop]

Ah but you cracked first: "Oh you don't know me, I was only joking. Oh please don't be mad."

Lol you my bitch today.

[OngBonga]

Here's where I tell you I was being serious all along with the "adult" thing, and it's now I'm trolling you.

Check fucking mate.

[Poopadoop]

That's right, dance some more little puppet. Keep dancing.

[OngBonga]

I said checkmate. There's no comeback from there.

[Poopadoop]

Still dancing? Wow, my power over you is even greater than I thought.

[Savy]

I played some chess on NYE, I really suck when I'm drunk. Much more so than other people. I wonder why that is.

[OngBonga]

I played some chess on NYE, I really suck when I'm drunk. Much more so than other people. I wonder why that is.

I don't play chess when I'm drunk. What's the point? I play chess because I want to play well and feel smug.

[wufwugy]

BREAKING: the left's god endorses Trump!!!

https://electrek.co/2017/01/06/tesla...on-renewables/

[Poopadoop]

trump2.jpg

[wufwugy]

That hacking thing turned out to be total nonsense huh? Using a program a nation-state wouldn't get caught dead with and stuff. A+ Democrats at getting caught in their corruption then obfuscating by planting a hoax that takes eyes off their corruption.

[Poopadoop]

That hacking thing turned out to be total nonsense huh? Using a program a nation-state wouldn't get caught dead with and stuff. A+ Democrats at getting caught in their corruption then obfuscating by planting a hoax that takes eyes off their corruption.

Yup, sounds pretty dodgy to me. I think the last time every intelligence agency agreed on something it was Saddam having WMD.

I also think MSNBC is turning into the left's Fox News. I guess they deserve one.

Still, Trump sounded kind of dumb there.

[wufwugy]

Looking forward to when Chieftess Fibbing Goof gets stomped in 2020

[wufwugy]

He always sounds dumb.

[wufwugy]

loooooollllllllllllll

[CoccoBill]

There's as little unclarity about russian involvement in the dem hacks as there is in the Israeli and US involvement in the Iran nuclear facility hacks (stuxnet).

[Poopadoop]

There's as little unclarity about russian involvement in the dem hacks as there is in the Israeli and US involvement in the Iran nuclear facility hacks (stuxnet).

Really? Because they tell you so? Or because you've seen the evidence, and if so, please share.

[CoccoBill]

No, I analyzed the logs myself. How else than "they told you so" do you know anything? Show me proof that US and Israel made Stuxnet. Obviously there isn't any publicly available proof, which means there isn't any to the contrary either.

[Poopadoop]

No, I analyzed the logs myself. How else than "they told you so" do you know anything?

That's the problem with this kind of evidence - intelligence agencies can give us their answers without having to tell us what they're based on.

I withhold judgment on the whole Russian hacking thing for that reason. Maybe true, maybe not.

[CoccoBill]

Where did this "so it was all a hoax" stuff come from? Let me guess just from Trump. Surely everyone can decide for themselves who's more reliable, him or the whole intelligence community. And yes, it is entirely possible that it's a huge conspiracy where they all colluded to mislead the public, but on whose orders? Hillary's? Comey's? I'd ask Mr William of Ockham.

[wufwugy]

The Trump crowd doesn't necessarily think it's a hoax. I think it could have come from Russia; the problem is that it hasn't been demonstrated. The evidence released by the government is paltry. There are ways this could more reasonably be a false flag (though I don't think it is). I'm seeing lots of people who know this stuff better than me say that a 400 pound hacker from Zaire could have left the same trail that they're saying now confirms it was always and only Russia.

The other thing the Trump crowd says is "and?". So, Putin outsmarted a dummy Podesta in a private entity (DNC is not government) and merely released to the public what he found? And these findings are a bunch of shady shit by the DNC and Putin is more or less acting as whistleblower (a thing the pre-Trump left used to extol)? And all evidence points to the election itself not being fiddled with at any level (except possible pro-Democrat possible cheating in Detroit) And, yet, the narrative is a colossus of "RUSSIA BAD!"?

[BananaStand]

The Trump crowd doesn't necessarily think it's a hoax. I think it could have come from Russia; the problem is that it hasn't been demonstrated. The evidence released by the government is paltry. There are ways this could more reasonably be a false flag (though I don't think it is). I'm seeing lots of people who know this stuff better than me say that a 400 pound hacker from Zaire could have left the same trail that they're saying now confirms it was always and only Russia.

I think the "Trump crowd" (whoever that is) needs to stop with that line of thinking. They're being trolled, and should wake up and realize it. While everything you said there may be true, the other side already knows it, and chose to ignore it before even starting this discussion. The goal of the discussion has nothing to do with determining the source, assigning blame, or retaliating.

Every second you spend saying "maybe it wasn't Russia" is just you being trolled into saying things that make you look bad. Regardless of how true or logical the things you are saying are....they are contradictory to the established public narrative. And when you defy common knowledge, you look dumb. The "trump crowd" is being trolled into looking dumb. They should stop falling for it.

The other thing the Trump crowd says is "and?".

They should stick to this....and only this. Let the other side respond, and expose their flimsy, distracting arguments.

The only reason this "RUSSIA BAD" narrative came about, was to weaken Trump's ability to govern. It's a desperate tantrum from the left seeking to undermine trump's authority, strip him of his mandate, and cast a cloud of doubt over his victory that makes him ineffective as a leader. Every second you spend feeding that narrative, even with logical arguments, just serves their purpose.

Let's not kid ourselves. Our own CIA has meddled in more than a few foreign elections. To believe that other countries aren't trying to do the same thing to us, is naive. Podesta and the DNC made themselves vulnerable and got phished. That's on them.

The real question is...why? What was the motive for the hacking?

Intelligence sources disagree about this. There is no evidence of motive, and any conclusion is entirely speculative. There is a prominent argument that says Trump was helped by the hacking, so the motive of the hacking must have been to help Trump. That's a simple, easy to follow narrative that anyone can buy into, especially when they were just stunned by the election results and are desperate for an explanation.

A more thoughtful conclusion looks at the timing of the hacks, and notices that it corresponds to a time when Trump's 'hot mic' comments were destroying his poll numbers. In that light, it seems somewhat likely that the motivation of the hack was to impair the trust and reputation of an incoming President Clinton, not propel a Trump victory. I don't think Putin predicted a Trump win, nor do I think he would have looked at the polls and thought that hacking Podesta might swing the election. I don't think Putin would espouse an idea so silly.

With all that said, I don't think many american's votes were swayed by anything exposed in the hack. On the other hand, the massive media coverage of the information exposed certainly distracted from other campaign narratives. Every second spend talking about hacks detracts from time that could be spent talking about issues. Or.....more practically speaking.....every second spent talking about hacks takes away from time that could be spent bashing Trump. So in that sense, the hacking probably did sway a few votes

So yeah..."RUSSIA BAD" should be the narrative. They meddled in an election they had no business meddling in. They did it for no other reason than propaganda against what they believed as an incoming president. That's really really bad.

The problem is....that "RUSSIA BAD" narrative could have been used in August. How come Obama didnt' sanction russia and kick the diplomats out five months ago?

The answer is, no one really cared. No one thought that the leaks would sway the election, and no one was really surprised that Putin was capable of dirty tricks. Par for the course really.

What irks me, is that the other side has now manufactured outrage over this hacking as a means to weaken and de-legitimize Trump. They are doing exactly what Russia tried to do to Hillary. If it was bad then, it's bad now.

[wufwugy]

Every second you spend saying "maybe it wasn't Russia" is just you being trolled into saying things that make you look bad.

To people speaking truth, we tend to not care so much about looking bad.

The evidence that it was Russia is shit. Good on those of us who say so.

[wufwugy]

The funny thing is that I'm actually super stoked about the potential alliance between America and Russia (and maybe even UK and France) regarding Islamism.

The media straight up does not cover how much terrible crime is caused by rapefugees. It's almost every day there's another story in Sweden or Germany about Islamists on welfare raping some native women, and then usually it gets swept under the rug and the women get called bigots. Given how bad it is in Sweden now, don't be surprised if within a few hundred years it becomes yet another of the nations that Islam invades and eradicates all non-Islam. Happened in Syria, happened in Iraq, happened in Turkey, happened in many other places, and it's on path in Europe.

Oops sorry this was only 1/3rd a shitpost

[JKDS]

Us+Russia v china.

Not a bad strat, but I don't like Russia.

The "hacks" irk me because they make America look weak.

[wufwugy]

The "hacks" irk me because they make America look weak.

I don't think this is a coincidence on the part of those spreading the narrative. Tons (most?) representatives of America don't seem to like America that much.

[OngBonga]

Hacks? The word you're looking for is "leaks".

[CoccoBill]

Soo, now that Trump admitted that the hack (yes hack, as in a spearfish attack to DNC personnel to access the systems, not an insider leak) was done by Russians, as well as an attempted to hack of the RNC, please spin this for me. Aaand ACTION.

[Poopadoop]

Soo, now that Trump admitted that the hack (yes hack, as in a spearfish attack to DNC personnel to access the systems, not an insider leak) was done by Russians, as well as an attempted to hack of the RNC, please spin this for me. Aaand ACTION.

I never doubted the Intel because of anything Trump said. I doubted it because of their track record of being experts in propaganda.

Therefore, Trump changing his stated opinion has no influence on my opinion. Still a skeptic.