*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[BananaStand]

Banana posting cartoons that are stylistically indistinguishable from nazi propaganda cartoons

What happened where?

[oskar]

What happened where?

How many cartoons depicting black people the exact same way nazi propaganda posters caricatured negroes have you posted lately?

[BananaStand]

How many cartoons depicting black people the exact same way nazi propaganda posters caricatured negroes have you posted lately?

Zero

Next question?

[oskar]

What? Do you think I didn't know Turkey and Pakistan share a border? I'm pretty hot with geography, I can even tell you the capitals of both, the largest city in Turkey, the second largest in Pakistan, and the languages they both speak.

My point is there aren't many refugees from either Turkey or Pakistan because a refugee is someone fleeing war, natural disaster or persecution.

Did you just have a stroke?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Crossing the border is not a crime.
Seeking asylum is not a crime.
Treating asylum seekers like criminals while their case is being reviewed is injustice.

Treating people whom have not yet been convicted of a crime as though they are already guilty is not what I was taught America is about.
People accused of crimes are not yet criminals. Something about "innocent until proven otherwise."

OK, so that applies to Americans under American laws. An asylum seeker is petitioning to be an American whom follows American laws.
While that process is underway, treating them as anything else is injustice.

[BananaStand]

Crossing the border is not a crime.

It is without a visa

Seeking asylum is not a crime.
Treating asylum seekers like criminals while their case is being reviewed is injustice.

What would a person be suffering from in Northern Mexico, for which they would need asylum in the United States?

Treating people whom have not yet been convicted of a crime as though they are already guilty is not what I was taught America is about.
People accused of crimes are not yet criminals. Something about "innocent until proven otherwise."

LOL luckily for civilization it's more nuanced than that. See, there's something called 'probable cause'. That says that if law enforcement catches you in the act, or suspects you of a crime, they can detain you pending an investigation. So...if the law I'm enforcing is the border, and I find you on my side of the border, and you don't have a visa, then I have probable cause to detain you and investigate.

If that investigation results in charges, I can further detain you until trial if you are believed to be a flight risk. And anyone jumping the border is probably a flight risk!

Next time a cop tries to pull you over for speeding, just keep driving. Try that "innocent until proven guilty" line.

OK, so that applies to Americans under American laws. An asylum seeker is petitioning to be an American whom follows American laws.
While that process is underway, treating them as anything else is injustice.

LOL, you've caught yourself in a logic trap there champ. If the Asylum seeker enters the US without a visa....are they following American laws?

[Poopadoop]

LOL, you've caught yourself in a logic trap there champ. If the Asylum seeker enters the US without a visa....are they following American laws?

Do you understand what asylum seeking means? It's not about sneaking into a country and then, if you get caught, claiming asylum.

Asylum seekers present themselves to immigration at a border crossing and file a claim to asylum. They're then detained (previously as a family unit, but for a while not), while their case goes to proceedings. What law are they breaking by doing that? What possible justification is there for separating them from their children under these circumstances?

[BananaStand]

Do you understand what asylum seeking means? It's not about sneaking into a country and then, if you get caught, claiming asylum.

Hmmm, not so fast

Asylum seekers present themselves to immigration at a border crossing and file a claim to asylum. They're then detained (previously as a family unit, but for a while not), while their case goes to proceedings. What law are they breaking by doing that? What possible justification is there for separating them from their children under these circumstances?

^ I believe these stories are either not true, or extremely rare.

The bulk of these "family separations" were plain old border jumpers who didn't effectively use their 20 day grace period to make arrangements for their kids.

[Poopadoop]

Here's a good description of the issue.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...sual-explainer

[OngBonga]

Crossing the border is not a crime.

Really?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Really?

I can cross American borders perfectly legally.
Is that in question?

[OngBonga]

I can cross American borders perfectly legally.
Is that in question?

We're talking about national borders. Is it a crime to enter Canada without your passport? If not, is that because of a bilateral agreement?

[Poopadoop]

Is it a crime to enter Canada without your passport?

Sure, but the gov't there is all crybaby liberal snowflakes who won't separate you from your children if you lose your passport.

Pretty sure the US returns the favour to Canadians. It helps to not come from a shithole country I guess.

[OngBonga]

Sure, but the gov't there is all crybaby liberal snowflakes who won't separate you from your children if you lose your passport.

Pretty sure the US returns the favour to Canadians. It helps to not come from a shithole country I guess.

I'm sorry I wasn't aware there was a problem with Americans fleeing to Canada with their children in tow. If that were actually happening, well I'd imagine the Canadians might bolster the border somewhat.

[OngBonga]

They are accused of illegal activity, if at all, not convicted.

Ok, so do you
a) detain them,
b) turn them onto the streets,
c) put them up in hotels or housing,
d) other (please elaborate)

[OngBonga]

To get to USA from either El Salvador or Honduras, you'll need to go through Guatemala and then Mexico. According to the Fragile States Index (http://fundforpeace.org/fsi/) Guatemala is less stable than both El Salvador and Honduras. So if they're running for their lives from an unstable country, why the fuck are they heading north?

If they head south, they will first get to Nicaragua, which is about as stable as Honduras, and then on to Costa Rica and then Panama, both very stable, comparable to USA. Further, El Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica and Panama all have something in common... language. These nations are also MUCH closer than USA.

So Costa Rica is closer, safer to get to, and culturally similar. Yet they still travel north.

Why? Economics.

[Poopadoop]

To get to USA from either El Salvador or Honduras, you'll need to go through Guatemala and then Mexico. According to the Fragile States Index (http://fundforpeace.org/fsi/) Guatemala is less stable than both El Salvador and Honduras. So if they're running for their lives from an unstable country, why the fuck are they heading north?

If they head south, they will first get to Nicaragua, which is about as stable as Honduras, and then on to Costa Rica and then Panama, both very stable, comparable to USA. Further, El Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica and Panama all have something in common... language. These nations are also MUCH closer than USA.

So Costa Rica is closer, safer to get to, and culturally similar. Yet they still travel north.

Why? Economics.

Again, it's irrelevant WHY they choose any particular country. Some probably do go to Costa Rica or Panama. The rules don't stipulate they have to go to the nearest stable country, so they don't really have to explain their choice. That's the beauty of being an asylum seeker running for your life.

[BananaStand]

Again, it's irrelevant WHY they choose any particular country. Some probably do go to Costa Rica or Panama. The rules don't stipulate they have to go to the nearest stable country, so they don't really have to explain their choice. That's the beauty of being an asylum seeker running for your life.

Dude...just stop. If their claims to asylum were so rock-solid and bound by international law....they would just wait in line like everyone else. They try to go around the system for a reason. Stop acting like these are oppressed people deserving of sympathy. They're opportunistic criminals supported by opportunistic partisan demagogues.

[Poopadoop]

blah blah blah

demagogues.

lol, it's real cute how you keep using this word when you clearly have no idea what it means. Kinda like Trump trying to explain what a hurricane is.

[BananaStand]

lol, it's real cute how you keep using this word when you clearly have no idea what it means. Kinda like Trump trying to explain what a hurricane is.

My use of the word was wholly apt. You're running our arguments and falling back on insults.

Why don't you just save yourself the trouble and say "Banana, you win, I'm retarded"

[OngBonga]

That's the beauty of being an asylum seeker running for your life.

They're not running for their life. If you're being chased by a wolf, do you run towards lions?

[OngBonga]

Again, it's irrelevant WHY they choose any particular country.

Only if you don't want to distinguish between a refugee and an economic migrant.

[Poopadoop]

Only if you don't want to distinguish between a refugee and an economic migrant.

The UN sets the rules, not me or you.

[OngBonga]

The UN sets the rules, not me or you.

Indeed. The UN distinguish between refugee and economic migrant, and the rules are different. If you're an economic migrant, you don't enjoy the same rights as refugees.

[Poopadoop]

Indeed. The UN distinguish between refugee and economic migrant, and the rules are different. If you're an economic migrant, you don't enjoy the same rights as refugees.

Maybe try to read something and then you can actually talk sense once in a while instead of just talking out of your ass all the time.

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/definitions

[OngBonga]

Maybe try to read something and then you can actually talk sense once in a while instead of just talking out of your ass all the time.

https://refugeesmigrants.un.org/definitions

So you're sticking with the idea they are fleeing for their lives? From one unstable country to an even more unstable country?

You just proved my point... that the UN distinguish between the two. See "labour migration" on the same site.

[OngBonga]

Isn't a demagogue someone who appeals to prejudice?

[BananaStand]

Isn't a demagogue someone who appeals to prejudice?

It's more about elevating popular emotion-based opinions over rational factual analysis.

Like some people don't like Trump. A demagogue will manipulate that by appealing to that person's worst fears and saying stuff like "Trump is a fascist nazi!".

[Poopadoop]

Lol, you call everyone here a demagogue on an almost daily basis. I guess it's supposed to be funny, which it is. But just not in the way you think it is.

a person, especially a political leader, who wins support by exciting the emotions of ordinary people rather than by having good or morally right ideas

How about 'Trump is a human rights abuser for enacting the separation policy.' Is that demagoguery?

[BananaStand]

Lol, you call everyone here a demagogue on an almost daily basis. I guess it's supposed to be funny, which it is. But just not in the way you think it is.

It's such an apt word! I wish it had synonyms, but it doesn't. You engage in demagoguery on an almost daily basis. What else would I call it?

How about 'Trump is a human rights abuser for enacting the separation policy.' Is that demagoguery?

Yeah

[Poopadoop]

Yeah

lol, so any criticism of Trump, valid or not, is demagoguery in your mind. No wonder you use the word so much.

[BananaStand]

lol, so any criticism of Trump, valid or not, is demagoguery in your mind. No wonder you use the word so much.

no, sensational baseless claims like "human rights abuser" that have no basis in fact or legal definitions, and that are only mean to illicit negative emotional responses, qualify as demagoguery.

That's EXACTLY the kind of bullshit the word was made for.

[Poopadoop]

no, sensational baseless claims like "human rights abuser" that have no basis in fact or legal definitions, and that are only mean to illicit negative emotional responses, qualify as demagoguery.

That's EXACTLY the kind of bullshit the word was made for.

Separating children from families without just cause is a form of child abuse according to the demagogues at the UN .

Just because your guy is chiefly responsible doesn't mean the criticism being leveled is demagoguery.

You guys are actually closer to being demagogues because you keep bringing up gangs, child traffickers, and baby rapists lol.

[BananaStand]

The weren't "fleeing for their lives" when they decided to get from northern mexico to southern USA by sneaking between border checkpoints.

That's not fleeing.

That's a calculated decision to skip the line, ignore due process, and circumvent screening.

[Poopadoop]

The weren't "fleeing for their lives" when they decided to get from northern mexico to southern USA by sneaking between border checkpoints.

That's not fleeing.

That's a calculated decision to skip the line, ignore due process, and circumvent screening.

See how easy that was?

They weren't fleeing Mexico though, they were fleeing their own country and using Mexico as a transit point on their way to the country to which they were fleeing to.

[BananaStand]

See how easy that was?

They weren't fleeing Mexico though, they were fleeing their own country and using Mexico as a transit point on their way to the country to which they were fleeing to.

But you still agree, if they had just got in line, the legal way, like everyone else, the would not have been separated

You agree that any separations are the result of a calculated decision to commit a misdemeanor with no mitigating circumstances other than being selfish and lazy.

[Poopadoop]

But you still agree, if they had just got in line, the legal way, like everyone else, the would not have been separated

I agree they would have avoided the cruel and inhumane treatment by following the rules yes. Maybe they didn't know that though, as it wasn't the policy before. Have you thought of that?

You agree that any separations are the result of a calculated decision to commit a misdemeanor with no mitigating circumstances other than being selfish and lazy.

Sure, just like you agree that any separations are the result of a calculated decision to deter immigrants and asylum seekers by separating them from their children.

[BananaStand]

Sure, just like you agree that any separations are the result of a calculated decision to deter immigrants and asylum seekers by separating them from their children. enforce the border

FYP

[BananaStand]

I agree they would have avoided the cruel and inhumane treatment by following the rules yes. Maybe they didn't know that though, as it wasn't the policy before. Have you thought of that?

no. Any reasonable person knows that you can't just cross an international border wherever and whenever you want.

And it was never the policy to allow that. The punishment was just less severe.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Both of your lack of nuance isn't helping.

Trump never gave any order to separate families. Family separation was more of a scandalous accident than anything intentional. Congress thought is said one thing. Then didn't provide any manpower or financial backing to accomplish what it said was policy, and the boots on the ground had to take the orders they were given, running on 1/10 the staff needed and no money for hiring or equipment. POTUS said 'zero tolerance' or whatever, and they did what they could with what they had to follow that order.

Among what they didn't have was adequate staff and record to track all those people. That's the real shitstorm, here. None of this makes the news if the families were reunited after all of this.


This:
Criminal prosecution for law-breaking is the textbook definition of "just cause"

If you think my remarkable comment about the Amish was a non-sequitur, then check this.

Defining justice as the action of laws is fine and all, but not a statement about whether those laws are good or their consequences fair.

[BananaStand]

Defining justice as the action of laws is fine and all, but not a statement about whether those laws are good or their consequences fair.

Fine, I'll elaborate.

A law that says it's illegal to cross the border without a visa, and/or between checkpoints is good.

Misdemeanor prosecution is a fair consequence.

[OngBonga]

Police say they don't know what Visas the Russians were travelling on. But they do know the passports they used.

All the police need to do is ask Border Force.

[BananaStand]

Here's a conundrum of political correctness

My white daughter keeps drawing herself as black in self-portraits in school.

How do I discourage cultural appropriation while supporting her right to self-identify?

I'm actually not bullshitting. This is a real situation I'm dealing with.

[Poopadoop]

lol, even your kid is trolling you.

What is actually wrong with cultural appropriation that you think it needs to be discouraged in principle? Is it too close to being evidence that 'diversity is good' or something?

[BananaStand]

What is actually wrong with cultural appropriation that you think it needs to be discouraged in principle?

I actually don't have a problem with it at all.

Just peer pressure. Apparently I'm supposed to be outraged if white kids dress like ninjas for halloween and all that

[OngBonga]

Cultural appropriation has two important aspects...
- a dominant group adopting behaviours from a minority culture,
- a difference in the context of those behaviours.

It's worth noting that this means that anyone screeching about "cultural approriation" of Japan when someone white dresses in traditional Japanese clothing, they are insulting Japan by suggesting America are the dominant culture.

[Savy]

All kicking off in parliament currently, May giving a speech in a minute. Wonder what she'll say, probably nothing of note. Hoping for a resignation but it ain't happening.

[OngBonga]

Resignation is coming soon, if not today.

[Poopadoop]

I think she'll be gone today or tomorrow. Her Brexit plan was basically 'stay in the EU lite'.

Now hopefully there'll be another referendum and people will realize they've been given the wrong information and Brexit is retarded.

[OngBonga]

That was their plan all along. Create a shit sandwich of a "deal" which will get flat out rejected, go back to the polls, rinse and repeat until we vote how they want us to. It's what they do.

Democracy is dead.

[OngBonga]

I'll say this... if we don't leave the EU, then the half a million or so Remainers who took to the streets (not even enough to cover the winning margin if they had two votes each) will be dwarfed by a real protest.

[Poopadoop]

I'll say this... if we don't leave the EU, then the half a million or so Remainers who took to the streets (not even enough to cover the winning margin if they had two votes each) will be dwarfed by a real protest.

Doubt it. Remain is leading in the polls.

A lot of people who voted Leave now realise how patently stupid it is to leave a customs union. And it only took half the major companies threatening to leave the country to get the point across.

If you thought having bendy bananas laws was bad, you'd rethink that if you leave the EU and the price of everything goes up 10%.

[OngBonga]

Best case scenario is there's another referendum and it's a landslide in favour of leave.

Very optimistic. Looks like we're either staying and we'll have internal unrest, or hard Brexit.

[oskar]

I'm confident Brexit will go down as the dumbest name given to anything ever.
Wasn't Brexit the thing you guys did in 2016? What are we talking about? How can you negotiate another "Britain exit" deal after britain is already out. What is this? Whatever you're doing, stop calling it that!

[OngBonga]

We didn't leave two years ago. We voted to leave two years ago. We're due to leave in March. Yes the name is stupid.

[Savy]

Hopefully Gove stays and goes down with the burning ship, would be horrible for him to benefit from this.

I don't see May leaving, why would anyone want to be PM now? They'll let her burden all the shit, distance themselves and hope things didn't go so badly labour walk the next election. Tbh letting Corbyn gain power now when he wants to leave would probably be optimal, just no path for it.

[OngBonga]

Poop. You have a choice... you can either live independently, in a world where bread costs £1.50 a loaf, or you can live in a cage and get it for 50p.. I assume you want the cage?

[OngBonga]

Doubt it. Remain is leading in the polls.

Yeah. The same polls that told us Remain would win? Same polls that told us Trump would lose?

I would say most people who voted leave are now more bitterly opposed to the EU than they were, and some people who voted remain respect democracy enough and see what's going on, they will vote leave or abstain. Where does that info come from? My arse, rather than Murdoch's arse.

[Savy]

Yeah. The same polls that told us Remain would win? Same polls that told us Trump would lose?

I would say most people who voted leave are now more bitterly opposed to the EU than they were, and some people who voted remain respect democracy enough and see what's going on, they will vote leave or abstain. Where does that info come from? My arse, rather than Murdoch's arse.

You are talking in absolutes. No question exists, if it was a remain/leave question I imagine it'd be close but probably swaying to remain, if it was remain/take this deal I imagine it'd be very strongly remain but then it'd all start up again on leaving. I really don't see another referendum happening.

The polls that predicted remain to win were well within the error margin so that's not exactly newsworth.
The polls that were predicting Hillary were constantly sliding towards Trump towards the end and on top of that she did win the popular vote, I'm unsure of the absolute details of this but I'd be surprised if they ended up being massively wrong.

If you are talking about individual polls that get done then they can say all sorts of shit because lol sample size and all that.

[OngBonga]

Comments are disabled for this video.

I'll fucking bet they are.

[OngBonga]

I'm curious if any of you left leaning folk find this video somewhat alarming.

[Poopadoop]

I'm curious if any of you left leaning folk find this video somewhat alarming.

I find it amusing that you typed 'asian girls' into youtube, saw this, watched it, then posted it here like it's supposed to prove something.

Have you ever seen a Japanese game show? That is REALLY alarming!

[OngBonga]

I find it amusing that you typed 'asian girls' into youtube, saw this, watched it, then posted it here like it's supposed to prove something.

Have you ever seen a Japanese game show? That is REALLY alarming!

Japan is the greatest country in the world, and their game shows are proof.

[Poopadoop]

Japan is the greatest country in the world, and their game shows are proof.

That's what Soros wants you to think.

[OngBonga]

Hello Kitty doesn't have a mouth because the patriarchy doesn't want Asian women to speak out.

Ignore the fucking fact that the creator of Hello Kitty is... drumroll please... an Asian woman.

[oskar]

Do you realize that's literally an 8 year old girl you're criticizing for saying something dumb?

[OngBonga]

Do you realize that's literally an 8 year old girl you're criticizing for saying something dumb?
Do you find this alarming?

Are you pretending to not know these children are being brainwashed?

[OngBonga]

Your instinct is to assume I'm critisising children, and not the people who are teaching these children.

That's your default reaction. To look for something wrong in what I did.

[oskar]

Dude this is a channel with 5k average views. I get 5k views when I upload some dumbass reply video on an inactive channel with no subscribers. This video has 20k because it got posted on whatever retarded circlejerk board you're reading. If they're brainwashing kids they're extremely inefficient.

[oskar]

These children are also being brainwashed into thinking Katy Perry is Woody Allen's wife?
Or are you singling one thing out because it fits your narrative.

[OngBonga]

These children are also being brainwashed into thinking Katy Perry is Woody Allen's wife?
Or are you singling one thing out because it fits your narrative.

Is that really the best you can do? You must know this is extremely thin as you're typing it.

These little political speeches from these kids are the result of indoctrination. Thinking old men are married to pop stars is the kind of dumb shit children normally think.

[oskar]

For reference, this has a quarter of a billion views.

[Poopadoop]

In actual news, Trump is blaming the wildfires in CA on cheap Canadian timber and people failing to rake the forest. And his advisor has a plan to solve both problems by harvesting dead trees.



Anyone for a house made of rotten wood?

[OngBonga]

Anyone for a house made of rotten wood?

I think my IQ is lower than it was before I started watching this.

This should come with some kind of warning.

[oskar]

You gotta hand it to them. Could you have thought of a way to turn widespread forest fires that are linked to global warming into a case for dismantling environmental protection programs?