*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[Poopadoop]

But it's not just the fact they claim to be a whistleblower. In Wikileaks' case, it's their track record. And in Murray's case, it's the perceived integrity that he has through blowing his career.

There's other ways to look at these things is my point. What appears to be true is not always true.

But to dismiss them based on paranoia relating to their intentions is to basically say I trust noone at all. That's a very depressing position to be quite honest.

There's a difference between questioning and dismissing.

There must be people out there who just want the world to be a better place.

Sure there are, I'm one of them. The problem is you can't necessarily know who they are. The good guys don't necessarily wear white hats.

[OngBonga]

There's a difference between questioning and dismissing.

You really don't need to tell me this. If you think I haven't questioned the sincerity of these guys, you're mistaken.

Sure there are, I'm one of them. The problem is you can't necessarily know who they are. The good guys don't necessarily wear white hats.

Well, it boils down to this... people like Murray and Assange are a lot more likely to be good guys than any given politician, or a celebrity. If Assange is gonna spend 5 years or whatever cooped up in some embassy to pull the wool over my eyes, bravo to him, he did it. They've done everything they can to destroy him. To think he's a plant is even more paranoid than any of the theories I do subscribe to.

Let me be clear about something... from the way they come across both in type and in media, I don't particularly like Assange, and I do like Murray. Assange seems arrogant. Murray seems compassionate and honest. If it wasn't for Wikileaks' track record, helped along by Murray's endorsement of Assange, I'd be a lot more skeptical about the latter. If Murray is a plant to get close to Assange, well he could just be the world's best spy. I'd probably like him even more. Sadly, I don't think that's the case.

[Poopadoop]

You really don't need to tell me this. If you think I haven't questioned the sincerity of these guys, you're mistaken.

I don't think that. You're confusing my questioning with dismissal and that's not what I've been saying.

Well, it boils down to this... people like Murray and Assange are a lot more likely to be good guys than any given politician, or a celebrity. If Assange is gonna spend 5 years or whatever cooped up in some embassy to pull the wool over my eyes, bravo to him, he did it. They've done everything they can to destroy him.

They may be. It's also possible Assange is actually a rapist hiding to save his own skin.

To think he's a plant is even more paranoid than any of the theories I do subscribe to.

Again (and again and again), you're confusing what I consider as a possibility with what I believe. Believing all of these speculations whole-heartedly would indeed be paranoid. Not trusting him 100% is being sensible.

If Murray is a plant to get close to Assange, well he could just be the world's best spy. I'd probably like him even more. Sadly, I don't think that's the case.

You're adding bits to the story I never even said.