*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[BananaStand]

There is the meat of the problem. Just because you "decided" your life is in danger doesn't mean it actually, factually and incontrovertibly is.

Doesn't matter. Why is this a concern for you? Just saying "my life was in danger" is not a free pass. They still investigate. The cops still have the power to decide you're an idiot and arrest you anyway. You make it sound like it's the wild fucking west and no one has any responsibility at all. Be smarter.

The other problem is that most of these gun toting bad boys are actually feeble assholes, who if you just breathe too hard in their direction might believe that their life is in danger and "pull out their weapon to shoot somebody"

Exactly who are you talking about? There are something like 400 milliion guns in America. We only have like 8000 murders a year.

I've noticed most gun nuts are, for lack of a better word, cowards. If he hits you, you are on the ground cowering in fear, can you not collect yourself for a second and call for help or call the police? So he God-forbid hits you, and that gives you the magic pass to be judge dredd?

Demogoguery. Exactly what law are you citing here as the "magic pass". Can you cite what specific language in the statute that offends you?

I also like the twice the size argument. IIRC Trayvon Martín was also twice the size of George Zimmerman. Or so did many idiots claimed

Why are they idiots?

Zimmerman's only recorded was to judge him for his actions and execute him on the spot

Seriously bro.....go get the facts of the case, and then we can talk about this.

(Zimmerman followed Martin, did he not?)

Not a crime.

deserves the death penalty nowadays.

Trayvon was beating him, and the 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman screaming hysterically for "help". You make it sound like Zimmerman was supposed to take a few minutes to have a careful introspective thought process about how to handle the situation.

Testimony from the case says that Trayvon's hand touched the gun and said the words "you are going to die tonight" to zimmerman.

What exactly is your standard for a person to be in "legitimate" fear of their life?

[Jack Sawyer]

Doesn't matter. Why is this a concern for you? Just saying "my life was in danger" is not a free pass. They still investigate. The cops still have the power to decide you're an idiot and arrest you anyway.

And yet the victim is still shot dead. No investigation will resurrect this person

[BananaStand]

And yet the victim is still shot dead. No investigation will resurrect this person

I guess we shouldn't bother investigating any murders then. Not one single murder conviction has ever resulted in the resurrection of the victim. Should we stop now?

[Jack Sawyer]

Trayvon was beating him, and the 911 call clearly shows Zimmerman screaming hysterically for "help". You make it sound like Zimmerman was supposed to take a few minutes to have a careful introspective thought process about how to handle the situation.

Testimony from the case says that Trayvon's hand touched the gun and said the words "you are going to die tonight" to zimmerman.

What exactly is your standard for a person to be in "legitimate" fear of their life?

He touched whose/which gun? How did the gun get in play?

Ah, right.

[BananaStand]

How did the gun get in play?

Freedom. That's how.

[Jack Sawyer]

Not a crime.

You are looking for trouble if you randomly follow a person around, don't you?

Now, it is my argument that Zimmerman specifically followed Trayvon around BECAUSE he (Z) was carrying a gun. Without gun he wouldn't have done so.

Guns (in hands of bad actors) escalate situations immediately. I do not have to cite yet another US study on guns to demonstrate why the proliferation of guns is such a bad idea.

[BananaStand]

You are looking for trouble if you randomly follow a person around, don't you?

Maybe. That's not what Zimmerman was doing. He was in the neighborhood watch. And he was watching the neighborhood. Nothing random about it.

Now, it is my argument that Zimmerman specifically followed Trayvon around BECAUSE he (Z) was carrying a gun. Without gun he wouldn't have done so.

Crazy. But even so. Assume this is true....what's your point? Guns shouldn't be allowed?

Guns (in hands of bad actors) escalate situations immediately. I do not have to cite yet another US study on guns to demonstrate why the proliferation of guns is such a bad idea.

Stop with that. Shove all your studies up your corn hole. There's really only one study that counts. Google "CDC lives saved by guns".

the lives saved by responsible gun owners out numbers the lives taken by irresponsible gun owners by 100 to 1.

100 to 1 Jack.

ONE HUNDRED TO ONE

30,000 gun deaths per year in America (including 20,000 suicides). The CDC estimates that defensive firearm use saves upwards of THREE MILLION lives per year.

Ok....now.....what study would you like to talk about?

[Jack Sawyer]

Maybe. That's not what Zimmerman was doing. He was in the neighborhood watch. And he was watching the neighborhood. Nothing random about it.

Neighbourhood watch

Not neighbourhood follow

Crazy. But even so. Assume this is true....what's your point? Guns shouldn't be allowed?

Would have saved quite a few more lives than your BS study that comes up in a bit, wouldn't it?

Stop with that.

I'll stop when the senseless killings stop.

Shove all your studies up your corn hole.

Quite classy on your part.

There's really only one study that counts.

Sadly not how science works.

Google "CDC lives saved by guns".

Google number of gun murders in Japan per year. Then do the same, but add per capita.

the lives saved by responsible gun owners out numbers the lives taken by irresponsible gun owners by 100 to 1.

Wow. I'm so impressed.

100 to 1 Jack.

I already told you I was impressed.

ONE HUNDRED TO ONE

God damn it.

30,000 gun deaths per year in America (including 20,000 suicides).

NUMBER OONNNNEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!111!!!111!!!

The CDC estimates that defensive firearm use saves upwards of THREE MILLION lives per year.

Damn, by that logic, adding weapons to Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea, Poland, Romania, The fucking UK, Germany, Belarus, Estonia, Czech Rep, Spain, motherfucking Qatar, Latvia, and more, would probably make them immortal. Do you want highlanders around?

Ok....now.....what study would you like to talk about?

Sigh

[BananaStand]

Do you want highlanders around?

I'm not worried....there can be only one

[BananaStand]

Neighbourhood watch

Not neighbourhood follow

Ridiculousness. Fuck off with this trolling. Let me know when you want to have a serious talk.

[Jack Sawyer]

Ridiculousness. Fuck off with this trolling. Let me know when you want to have a serious talk.

So being in the neighbourhood watch gives you a license to stalk.

Ok, got ya.

[Jack Sawyer]

So being in the neighbourhood watch gives you a license to stalk.

Ok, got ya.

So, following this logic, if someone is following you and "you feel unsafe" and "he's so big", and you carry a gun, take it out and shoot the man and then claim self defense because it was a stranger and you felt he was following you, that's ok.

The other is ok as well. The follower follows you, sees you draw a weapon to shoot him, draws his own and shoots you too. You both shoot each other. That's ok as well.

LOL. I never knew GTA was that real

[OngBonga]

So being in the neighbourhood watch gives you a license to stalk.

Stalking involves repeated actions, active harassment, a threat of some kind. Following someone once does not equate to stalking.