*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[Poopadoop]

Do you have a graph like this with numbers from "us" and "not-us" that starts before 2003?

Does it matter? The total number of civilian deaths are estimated as 182k-204k. Since it was 'us' who started the war, it's 'us' who is primarily responsible for the resulting deaths.

[BananaStand]

Does it matter? The total number of civilian deaths are estimated as 182k-204k. Since it was 'us' who started the war, it's 'us' who is primarily responsible for the resulting deaths.

I really hope we aren't going to spend a day in 2018 talking about the Iraq war. You say it was "us" who started the war. Fuck you.

We made a pre-emptive strike against a hostile regime. It doesn't matter necessarily that they didn't have WMD's. The intelligence suggesting that Hussein was TRYING to procure such things, has never been disproved. He also had a relatively powerful army with plenty of chemical and biological weapons, and had no problem using them. That's not "our" fault.

Pro Tip for you dictators out there. When you start getting 95% of the vote....the world is gonna get a little suspicious of what the fuck you're up to.

And don't start with the "Iraqi people didn't want us there". That's bullshit too. There were plenty of slaves that weren't thrilled about the emancipation proclamation either. Just because Saddam kept the Iraqi trains running on time, doesn't mean he should not have been removed.

The western world, led by the US decided that it was going to war against Islamism. Where is that coming from? Is there a country in that region that A) Borders all the others B) Is home to the two largest rivers in the region C) has prime access to major seaports and D) has enough natural resources to sustain wealth.

^That's the kind of ally we need if we're going to run a successful campaign against terrorism. Obviously we don't want to go around conquering countries for this purpose, but if said country is occupied by someone we can reasonable remove...so be it.

You see, at this point we were working under the progressive assumption that "not all muslims are bad". So we assumed that most muslims would embrace democracy, and be glad to be free. As it turns out, most muslims are bad. And huge numbers of them carried out an armed insurgency to try and seize power after Saddam was deposed. And even though they were dying by the thousands, the muslim civillians didn't really do much to help us. They were just like..."yeah, fuck the west, we want Islam, kill the infidels"

There's no fucking way the world would be a safe place, if we allowed a violent insurgency of Islamists to take over a country like Iraq.

So sorry if it got messy.

In 08, Obama was elected, and he pulled us out fast. ISIS came. That pretty much proves that staying in Iraq was the right thing to do, even after we learned that Saddam had no WMD's.

[Poopadoop]

You say it was "us" who started the war. Fuck you.

We made a pre-emptive strike against a hostile regime.

Lol.

So, it was 'them' who fired the first shot?

If your whole justification for Iraq is that 'they' were somehow a threat to 'us' and so we had to start a war (but we didn't *really* start it in any sense except the sense of who invaded who), and so the blame lays entirely with them, then you're an even bigger moron than I thought.

Only the dumbest, most jingoistic brainwashed flag-humping American thinks that war was justified. Sadly that's probably about the same % who want to bomb Aladdin.

Not even going the read the rest of your diatribe. I'll assume it's just more bullshit to try to support the basic contradiction you started the argument with. But hey, go ahead and answer this post with another essay lol.

[BananaStand]

If your whole justification for Iraq is that 'they' were somehow a threat to 'us' and so we had to start a war (but we didn't *really* start it in any sense except the sense of who invaded who), and so the blame lays entirely with them, then you're an even bigger moron than I thought.

You seem to be blurring the sequence of events.

Hussein was a threat.

We took him out.

Easy game.

THEN.......

Armed Islamic insurgents started a war. Not us.

[Poopadoop]

You seem to be blurring the sequence of events.

Hussein was not a threat.

We took him out, and devastated the country.

THEN.......

Ungrateful armed Islamic insurgents started a war.

fyp

[MadMojoMonkey]

The intelligence did show that Saddam was trying to make WMD's. It also showed that he was decades away from anything really fitting the M of WMD. If it was about WMD's, we really fucked up by going to Iraq instead of Iran.

Those chemical and biological weapons he was using against his own people.
The USA sold him those weapons.

[BananaStand]

The intelligence did show that Saddam was trying to make WMD's. It also showed that he was decades away from anything really fitting the M of WMD. If it was about WMD's, we really fucked up by going to Iraq instead of Iran.

Come the fuck on man. You agree that it was obvious Saddam had a desire to acquire these weapons. He was a long way off from making them...maybe.

Does it make sense to you, that it would never have occured to Mr. Hussein to try and purchase the weapons?

How long would that take? Was he decades away?

Those chemical and biological weapons he was using against his own people.
The USA sold him those weapons.

So?