I was going to make a few of the points in cocco's recent post. Nice post.

War is brutal and there will be people driven to committing terrible atrocities on all sides. No one could convince me that there were no rapes of Afghani women by American soldiers during that occupation. No one could convince me that Americans never ever targeted civilians. No one could convince me there was no pillaging and stealing by Americans.

BUT - The news and images coming out during the past 24 hours have been heart-rending.
What the Russians left behind them in Bucha is gut-wrenching.


Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall seeing anything like that from a NATO occupation.


I appreciate an independent POV, ong. I appreciate your point that pretending our side has clean hands is folly.
I do think there are stark, notable, significant differences between how NATO occupies a place and what Russia is doing in Ukraine.

Not all dirt is equal.