Quote Originally Posted by poop
What I said was it's more likely Putin would nuke his own troops (on Ukrainian soil ldo) and blame in on Ukraine than that Ukraine would nuke itself.
Ok, well we're still in false flag territory. I believe any side in a war is capable of false flags events if it increases their perceived changes of success.

They're not equivalent situations. Putin and Zelensky are not equivalent people.
No they're not. One is a great deal more dangerous than the other. That's not necessarily because Putin is a bigger asshole. It's because he controls a more powerful military.

And yes, in fact I do think Putin is capable of more despicable actions than Zelensky, or most any other leader for that matter. Past behaviour is a good predictor of future behaviour. So there's that.
I don't know what any leader in the world is capable of, but the majority are capable of what I'd call a despicable act.

idk about Zelensky, I'm unconvinced he's even in control of Ukraine.

You seem to take the attitude that inside of every person is some little amoral psychopath just waiting for an opportuniy to come out. This is a sad view of the human race.
It's not my view of the human race. It is my view of politicians and powerful elites.

Your view of the human race is that everyone is racist. That I find sad.

So why bring up Ukranian nazis at all if it's not relevant to any argument you're making? This is a thread on the war in Ukraine. One of the reasons Putin gave for the war was to de-nazify Ukraine. You come along and say "hey look here's a nazi mayor in Ukraine." Where are we supposed to infer you're going with that?
It's relevant because we have to be honest about whether we should be siding with, and even arming, Nazis.

What do you call it when they specifically don't want brown immigrants then?
Quote please of someone who is a member of Farage's party saying they approve of white immigration but not "brown" immigration.

In the absence of any proof, you're talking utter bollocks here. This is your wild imagination.

You're missing the point. What made UKIP an attractive party to these people in the first place?
Anti-EU sentiment made UKIP relevant, and then leaving the EU made them completely irrelevant again.

btw, we are talking about Nazis, not racists. If your definition of "Nazi" is "racist" then it's you who needs to read a book.

Again, so what? Lots of countries have those types of people, including the UK.
Sure. Do we have any elected into office?

Was he? From what I read he spent most of the war in jail. You're making him sound like he was running the gas chambers.
Well from what I'm reading he's a highly controversial figure in Ukraine. Many people there do consider him a fascist who sympathised with Nazi ideology. Others consider him a national hero. I'd never heard of him until today.

The fact that some mayor has an image of him on his wall and has a car registration 14/88, I'm inclined to think he's a hero to Nazi sympathisers.

14 refers to the 14 words by David Lane - "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
88 is a reference to the 88 words in Hitler's Mein Kompf about the supremacy of the white race.

This is white supremacy in politics, not Farage waffling on about Muslims.