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[MadMojoMonkey]

Holy crap that's a lot of convo I missed.

Not going to read back through everything, but @ong, re human traficing.
This has been called out as almost entirely BS.

The evidence of human traficing is minimal to almost non-existent in US border crossings. It gets brought up because it is ugly, and horrible and it gets people riled up. But I've seen a few investigations into the allegations of human traficing happening as immigration / migration and it's basically a red herring.

It happens. It's just that the rate of it happening is not a good reason to deny migration to people. It's tantamount to saying, "there is at least 1 murderer in your home country, therefor we must assume you are a murderer until proven otherwise." It's a perversion of justice, IMO.

[OngBonga]

Can't find French figures either, and this is where the traffickers are more likely to be based.

[OngBonga]

I can find tons of reports talking about how people traffickers are running a business ferrying people from France to UK, but what I can find is right wing media like the Express, the Sun, etc. Not gonna link shit like that.