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And what happens after we've collected everyone from Calais that wants to come to England? More people come to Calais wanting to come to England.

What you're saying here is that the UK is open to literally anyone in the world who wants to come.

What you're saying is France should feed, clothe, and house asylum seekers who want to go to the UK, indefinitely. And also they should stop and seize dinghies in the channel. So basically France should be our immigration service overseas.

What I meant by that was that I want them to be documented. Whether it's Paris, Calais, Damascus, wherever there is a British office for dealing with asylum seekers. What I don't want is people from around the world turning up at Calais, getting on a boat, and then being in Britain, without at any point having made an application for asylum. You don't turn up in Dover and apply there, otherwise we have no control over immigration and the borders are practically open to the world.

Which is fucking stupid.

There's an international UN agreement on asylum seeking refugees. The UK is a part of that agreement. The UK govt website aligns with that agreement. The UK gov'ts actions don't. So we either should withdraw from the agreement and admit we're cunts, or follow it.

This is for refugees who are not safe in their country. And it also says this...

You should apply when you arrive in the UK or as soon as you think it would be unsafe for you to return to your own country. Your application is more likely to be denied if you wait.

So this implies you should apply as soon as possible, and ideally not from England.

You can't apply for asylum in the UK unless you're physically in the UK.

What that bit you quoted means is if you're, e.g., a Ukrainian who comes to the UK in January on a visa that ends in March, and you decide it's not safe to go back, you apply as soon as you decide it's not safe.

Economic migrants should not be turning up unannounced.

I agree, and if they do they won't be allowed entry. But if they're seeking asylum they have to physically be in the UK to do so. They can't apply from Paris or Calais or anywhere outside the UK. You might not like it, but that's the law.

This is why earlier I tried to distinguish between migrants and refugees. One group of people are fleeing war and can turn up unannounced, although in the case of the UK it's hard to understand why they would do so since they are not fleeing a border country to the UK. But still, refugees are fleeing war and I don't have a problem with this at all.

And the law is very clear on this. They can't apply while they're in another country, they can only apply once they get to the UK. There's no forms to fill out in country X to apply for refugee status in the UK, that's simply not how it works.

Economic migrants are seeking a better life. There's a ridiculous amount of people in the world who would like better economic opportunities. Most of India, population 1 billion. It should be obvious the UK does not have room for India. Where's the line? You must have a line poop, you must realise there comes a point where we're full up.

You're confusing economic migrants with refugees. They're two completely different classes of people.