*** Official Putin Started Shootin' Thread ***

[OngBonga]

Weren't a bunch of passengers calling their loved ones and telling them they were going to go Rambo the cockpit?

Maybe, maybe not. It's pretty easy to fake such calls so it's inconclusive.

Meh. If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist, there's plenty of better ones out there where the evidence is much stronger that the official stories were fiction. Both Kennedys, MLK, etc..

I was simply pointing out that despite what seemingly reliable people have to say, the official story is always the one that is written in the history books. I could swear blind that I witnessed the plane being shot down and most people would just say I'm a liar, even if I was telling the truth. And it's natural for people to think that, because for all you know I could be lying, and it's more likely than not.

There's a fuck ton of conspiracy theories out there. I dabbled around the time of 9/11 but found most to be irrelevant and somewhat boring in the context of what was happening at the time. 9/11 was so much more important and I still to this day do not believe the official story. I can't tell you what the real story is because I haven't a clue, I just don't believe what they tell me.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I mean... the more people required to be in on the conspiracy, the exponentially less likely it is to be a conspiracy.

If you're talking dozens of people... the odds go way down. Dozens within a single agency, maybe, but spread across a wide range? That's too many mouths to stay closed for too many decades. Maybe it could happen. Prob has happened on this scale a few times, but the more people need to keep quiet, the less statistically likely it is to remain secret.

Get into the range of hundreds of conspirators... like the families of the people who died... the security agencies whose job is to not let things like this happen... the building inspectors, the *rest* of the firefighters, the *rest* of the witnesses...

Maybe a few people saw/heard something that was fucking sus to them. That's fine. They totally believe what they saw, and stand by it. That's fine. Doesn't mean the other witnesses and events that would corroborate that story just don't need to exist.

[OngBonga]

I don't think the 9/11 question stays unanswered forever. It was recorded by many different people. AI will be able to tell us if what happened was possible given the information we're told, and if not, it will be able to tell us how it is possible.

Of course, whoever controls the AI might have an agenda, but there surely comes a day where it's not possible for humans to hide their commands to AI. I doubt that day is in my lifetime, but in 100 years I think it will be resolved.

[OngBonga]

And before poop chimes in suggesting a "scaled down replica" is a crazy idea, I'm not imagining drones being flown into little skyscrapers. I'd like to see a scientific study about how much resistance molten steel and concrete offers the mass above it, and how long a pancake collapse takes once collapse is initiated. Slightly more than fuck all is the official claim.

[Poopadoop]

And before poop chimes in suggesting a "scaled down replica" is a crazy idea

Thanks for the cue.

I don't know if it's a crazy idea or not. Has anyone tried it? If it was a plausible way to test things, you'd think someone would have tried it by now.

I do know there are a lot of engineers who say the towers fell too fast, and especially building 7 which wasn't even hit. I wouldn't be shocked to find out it was a false flag.

As for the 'we'll never know' hypothesis, that was said about JFK too. A few deathbed confessions and released documents later, I think we can be pretty confident it was a coup d'etat. It sure as hell wasn't Oswald acting alone.

The reason 9/11 probably doesn't get the same scrutiny is because it so deftly placed the blame on a foreign entity, and so much of US policy followed from it, that the amount of cognitive dissonance you'd have to overcome to convince the average person it was a false flag is probably close to insurmountable.

[Poopadoop]

^^

Case in point: Before he got whacked, the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented Kennedy with a plan to enact a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the USSR. The logic was that war with them was inevitable, so better to take them out now while we still had a large advantage in nuclear capability. They estimated something like 100 million Russian dead vs. 10 million US dead. Kennedy said "So we should start World War III? Thanks, but no thanks."

A lot of them then complained that he was "soft on communism."

That's the kind of mental cases were working in high level national security jobs at the time, and I'd be surprised if the mentality of those people has changed much over the years.