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I nearly deleted this post because it's much more abrasive and accusatory than I like, but I think it needs to be posted. Every one of your points have been personal attacks. It needs to be said so maybe you won't do it next time.
 Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I am not convinced that you are reasonably separating these concepts.
Because you don't want to. You want me to be your bad guy. You say you don't, but you do. Get over your kick that I'm the insipid dweeb you've always wanted me to be. There has hardly been an interaction between us where you don't treat me like a child.
I am not convinced any of your statements come from anywhere but ethnocentrism, or cultural-centrism, or whatever the right word for you extrapolating way beyond your practical knowledge base and drawing conclusions which vilify people.
You have imagined that I have vilified people. By not evaluating points and instead leaping to conclusions at the instant of seeing "Islam" and "something not awesome" in the same sentence, you're contributing to the problem.
I am not convinced you have more than 1% of a clue as to what the religion teaches, much less enough information to offer an informed criticism.
Of course you're not convinced. Your prerogative regarding me has long been to assume first, think last.
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You're a college student, right? Don't they offer any comparative religion courses?
You read, right? Don't they sell the Koran?
You have conversations, right? I heard Muslim people have conversations, too.
More assume first, think last. You have no idea what I know or don't know, but because you don't like the words that come from my mouth, you assume it's all comfortably in the "don't know" category. Your only responses to me have been ad hominems and attempts to discredit. All of them. You have yet to attempt to evaluate my points and defeat them on the merits. The sad thing is that if your position is the correct one, it would be pretty easy to beat up my ideas on the merits.
I could go on, but the mere fact that you want to blab your "They're bad; we're good" story here
Everything I've said has gone over your head. Not only does my thesis have nothing to do with "they're bad; we're good", but every point of substantiation I've used doesn't either.
and not to someone who is an actual Muslim says more about you and this thread than you've been able to dissuade with any further points you've made.
You couldn't use lazier logic if you tried. So, because I post stuff on this board, it must be the case that I do it as a last resort of my frustrated bigotry?
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What are your actual questions and what is a reasonable plan of action to seek those answers?
Why do the outlandish teachings of mainstream Islamic get a pass? These data do NOT represent the fringe of Islamic ideals. They represent the mainstream. If western Christians held ideals this egregious, we'd be knocking their doors down.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...nion-polls.htm
BTW the list includes more than just the extreme of extreme ideals. The more "moderate" ideals are also extreme, but as I intended this OP for, they're ignored. Examples:
51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
If these were statistics of Christians, heads would roll.
The silly thing about all this is that if you had initially responded with "it looks to me like you think Muslims are bad people; surely you don't think that", I would have responded with how I think the vast majority of Muslims are good people and how a majority of American Muslims are straying from many of the negatives taught by mainstream Islam. And we would have been done with this bullshit. But no, you think you're Batman and I'm your Joker.
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