The problem with Islam

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I will say this, rereading wuf's post, I don't even register shit that I know is bunkum. I only saw the intention to compare Islam with Christianity and point out the central point of apostasy, its origins, and how Islam perpetuates itself. But without the rant, where would I have found reason to post about Yahweh?

Plus, if anyone was half a decent troll around here, they might point out that George Washington was literally a general and clearly influenced the greatest Nation in History and force me to redouble the effort.

Right, I mean, here's the thing, I don't think wuf shouldn't have made the post-- I'm glad he did, because it affords us the opportunity to all engage on a rather difficult topic. Like, I'm pretty sure I harbor very similar concerns regarding Islam as wuf, and I want to believe that he is interested in reaching a solution that will alleviate us of our concerns in a way that improves the lot of humanity at the same time. I just think, if we do share the same concerns and goals, he did a shit job at expressing the former and moving towards the latter.

p.s. wuf, I keep referring to you in the third person, and it really bugs me, but I can't figure how to reference the OP, reply to 'rilla, and not treat you as if you aren't part of the discussion. My apologies.

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he did a shit job at expressing the former and moving towards the latter.

Don't I always?

A graduate student writing his master's thesis was dissatisfied with it and was running late. His professor told him "you can either have a perfect thesis or a finished thesis".

A successful writer once said that a common pitfall among writers is the attempt to explain everything.

So, I made a few points I wanted then submitted.




On a different note, this topic is a particularly difficult one in which to convince people of opposing views. One of the reasons is that the mainstream narrative has already gotten so out to lunch that to make any real progress, people have to strip away some of the foundations of their beliefs, which is the hardest thing to do.

The type of thing I'm getting at is that we have a religion where murder is a common response to showing a picture of a certain person. The mainstream response from others in that religion to that murder is a mix of explicit and implicit support. The western world mostly kowtows to this, yet if it were any other religion, heads would roll. These facts alone should be the end of the story, in that they're enough to show that we really do treat Islam differently than everything else.

But it's not the end of the story. Maybe because the narrative has been so internalized. I don't know.

As Rilla pointed out, I think it's important to contrast Islam to Protestantism and secularism so that we can see this divergence in logic. I added other brief points about racism and sexism that Islam teaches, but for some reason, that stuff is kinda just brushed aside and I get called a racist and sexist instead.

The reason this is important is because the western world at large throws the baby out with the bathwater when it brushes aside all the negatives Islam teaches just because westerners don't want to accidentally mistreat a religion. The bottom line is that mainstream Islam preaches extremist views about women, yet we ignore that because when even more extremist Islamic views are engaged (like gang rape of a 14 year old), defenders immediately say that mainstream Islamists are a-okay. No, they're not a-okay. They may not explicitly teach to gang rape women, but they teach a tremendous amount of other violent and sexist things towards women that are also extreme.

If Bubba Joe from Florida treated women the way mainstream Islam teaches, he'd be a pariah and most likely in prison.