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 Originally Posted by wufwugy
This thread is a response to the framing of mainstream Islam as "moderate". The use of this terminology precludes the notion that people are unconcerned with its value system; instead the framing is stating that its value system is compatible with the mainstream West. My issue is that "moderate" is being misused and that which is called a compatible Islamic value system with the western value system is in fact not compatible.
Fine. My issue is that you're pulling your notion of "mainstream" from spurious sources.
My contention is that you may know the first thing about mainstream Muslim culture, but you don't know the million other things.
Originally Posted by wufwugy
You're on a different note than us (than most every member of society in the conversation). You're positing a sort of cultural determinism of morals that stretches beyond the views of most.
A) I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself.
B) What's your point?
Most people are short-sighted and quick to temper. That doesn't make it an ideal.
Originally Posted by wufwugy
When mainstream Islam teaches such behavior that women clothe themselves in such a way to ward off violence, do you think this is totally cool because culture?
Yes.
If you understand the depth of their scripture or the responsibility placed on men which is (theoretically) an equal burden for their faith as the women's burden, then we can keep talking.
For you to say, "Look, they don't let their women wear whatever they want!" as though it's somehow either true or bad is just weird to me. You are not allowed to wear dresses and face makeup. If you do so in public, you will likely be ridiculed and possibly assaulted by homophobic idiot assholes who do not represent the wider views of your culture. Is this an argument for how oppressive the Western culture is towards men?
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