The "My name is vqchuang and I am a techie wiener"

[The_Cheat]

So ya, all of vqchuangs threads about his super-cool gadgets was starting to bug me, so this is a thread where we can all NOT! talk about gadgets. Anything but gadgets, in this thread.

I will start with Baseball. Who else hates Sammy "Say it Ain't" Sosa because he is a bat corking cheater? I mean, shangri la, the day I found out Sammy corked his bat was worse than the day I found out the decks on Party Poker were juiced. I mean, honestly, corking a bat is like... well, i cant even think of anything to compare it too, because if sombody was doing something really slimy and dishonest, I would say "that is worse than corking your bat!"

[vqc]

Man cheat thats cold.

As for baseball, My A's traded away their 2 best pitchers, putting all the eggs into zitos basket was not a good idea at all.

[vqc]

Plus cheat, your just jealous you cant have all this cool shit.

[The_Cheat]

Zito was kinda good a couple years ago. How you let go of Mulder is beyond me.

PS. I dont want any of your techie crap, you techie wiener. Get a girlfriend.

[vqc]

Weve been through this cheat, I have a gf. Shes my avatar.

Mulder > Zito
Hudson > Zito
Old Zito > Zito

[The_Cheat]

Cheats Girl > Vqchuangs Asian mistress

in terms of hotness. my girl doesnt BR me, but thats cause i dont need her too

[vqc]

cheat you have no proof.

[The_Cheat]

oh i have plenty of proof that you are a techie wiener

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=11091
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=10971


techie wiener. case closed.

[vqc]

your an idiot cheat, prove your womans hotter.

[lolzzz_321]

Mine is!

[The_Cheat]

no need to call names V. go have your not-as-hot-as-cheats girlfriend give you some money or something

[boost]

she looks too angry in the picture, and her arm is twisted all funny like. new picture please.

[Staresy]

yeah, she does look pissed at you vq!!

She looks like u just told her that she couldn't have any lovin' because you had a SnG to finish!!!

[vqc]

ROFL!!!!!

[Element187]

i think they should clear every home run from sammy sosa's record because of his corked bat... who knows how long he's been corking, and should disqualify every single homerun. that will teach players not to cork their bats.

[The_Cheat]

i think they should clear every home run from sammy sosa's record because of his corked bat... who knows how long he's been corking, and should disqualify every single homerun. that will teach players not to cork their bats.

for friggin real.
and i hope he burns in hell for perverting the game of baseball.

[Element187]

i think they should clear every home run from sammy sosa's record because of his corked bat... who knows how long he's been corking, and should disqualify every single homerun. that will teach players not to cork their bats.

for friggin real.
and i hope he burns in hell for perverting the game of baseball.

baseball didnt need sosa's help in perverting the game of baseball, it did a good job on its own


sorry im more of an NBA fan myself

at any rate, remove sosa's homerun record, cheating in any sport is bullshit.

[Molinero]

i think they should clear every home run from sammy sosa's record because of his corked bat... who knows how long he's been corking, and should disqualify every single homerun. that will teach players not to cork their bats.

for friggin real.
and i hope he burns in hell for perverting the game of baseball.

Please.

Sammy corking a bat is no worse than a 40-year-old pitcher snotting the ball. Steroids are a far worse perversion of the game.

[The_Cheat]

Corking a bat is way worse than snotting a ball. Steroids are bad too. But I still say corking your bat is worse.

the NBA is teh suck too. When Reggie Miller leaves this year, it will be the end of the classy NBA. Remember the days of Karl "The Mailman" Malone, Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon, John Stockton, Clyde "The Glide" Drexler, John Starks, Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan.

Dead and gone.

All we have now is thugs jumpin in the stands, and complaining about how $14 million dollars a year is not enough to feed there family, and THEN tanking the whole season. The NBA is a joke.

[a500lbgorilla]

Baseball is the worst sport in the world. Discuss.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

better to play baseball than to sit around all day throwing poop at each other like somebody i know ::cough:: -rilla ::cough::

baseball pwns.

[a500lbgorilla]

Excellent point.

While baseball is better than throwing shit at your friends, you could argue that all sports are greater than that.

But that does not do anything to help your case.

Baseball is a boring, skill-deprived sport.

-'rilla

[storm75m]

Baseball sucks, NBA rules. I have no idea how people can watch a baseball game, it's like watching a tree grow.

Only thing that sucks in the NBA is the refs, and how my Rockets were robbed!!!

[The_Cheat]

baseball is fun. it might be boring to watch on TV, but there are only a few things i would rather do on a saturday afternoon than go to the ballpark, have a hotdog and a beverage, and watch a baseball game with my Dad. Its americas pastime Rilla. It is wholesome entertainment. Hot Dogs are g00t. All reasons why baseball pwns

[a500lbgorilla]

Thats the only reason it's still around, "its americas pastime." Not becuase it's a fun sport to watch, not becuase it's a honorable sport, a competative sport, an exhausting sport. You never have triple overtime in the playoffs where the players are so tired they can barely move like in Hockey. You never have players like Jerome Bettis who is constantly huffing on his inhilator becuase even with asthma he's giving it his all. There are no heros in baseball, there are only Jokers and Villians.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

oh my bad, Curt Shilling bleeding through his socks in the ALCS, and Kurt Gibson knocking one out 3 weeks after having knee surgery arent heros.
hockey is a great game. its intense, its competitive, and it is <baseball. The fun from baseball is the tradition, the memories, and the drama. Baseball is a game where you dont have to be 6'6" and built like a truck to be successfull. it is a boys game, played by men. Sorry you missed out on your childhood rilla, but dont take that out on baseball

[a500lbgorilla]

Well, if you play any sport on a long enough timeline, you're going to get a hero here and there. I should have said "has many fewer." Just becuase it's traditional and a childhood game does not make it better than any other sport in America.

I've gone to plenty of baseball games with friends and family and I've gone to plenty of hockey games with friends and family. You enjoy both atmospheres the same, it's probably the same for football if a bit more crowded. The sport is less entertaining to watch and it drags on. The only way a hockey game drags on is if its 5-0 and your team is losing.

It's just not a fun sport to watch.

You could have made a case for NASCAR being worse.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

NASCAR is cool too.

What the hell is wrong with you man? You just dogged on the top two spectator sports in this country... leave it to Rilla to be the unconventinal guy who has to hate everything that other people like. Jump on the bandwagon man, youll love it.

[a500lbgorilla]

Are these really the top two spectator sports in America!?

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

yes.

Major League baseball has 160 games per year. NFL has 16. Ya, way more people go to baseball games than football or Hockey (I am not going to mention the fact that there is no Pro hockey this year, because it breaks my heart too) and NASCAR gets out more fans than any of the other pro sports. I am not sure about the order if you include Minor League and Non-Pro teams, but I am sure the trickle down theory applys, so baseball would still pwn

[a500lbgorilla]

Shouldn't that in itself prove that baseball is solely driven by the bottom line today? 160 games seems like a bit much. I dunno how many hockey or basketball play.

But i'd assume baseball is all about the money.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

its not all about the money. baseball has a long season to keep things fair. the best teams end up with the best record, its not just whoever got lucky o n any given day. hockey has a long season too

[a500lbgorilla]

But you can't disagree that a longer season means more money.

And would not 120 games prove the same as 160?

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

at the 120 game mark last season the standings were different than at the 160 game mark. The Sox were like 10 games back at the 120 game mark last year

[a500lbgorilla]

If they knew it was a 120 game season, they would probably have started to really give it there all near the 100th game, as I assume they ended up doing at the 120th to catch up those 10 games.

-'rilla

[Wolverine42]

There are no heros in baseball, there are only Jokers and Villians.

LMFAO, Rilla I like you brother but that has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in a long time.

Baseball is a boring, skill-deprived sport.

No skill, when was the last time you tried stepping into the batters box and hitting a 95mph fastball, or how about trying to hit one of Wakefield's knuckleballs that dances all the to the plate and before you even know what your looking at its in the catchers glove.

Football is my passion but I love baseball. You can't say that any sport is skill depreived because whether your driving a car at 200mph inches away from someone or swinging a golf club on a sunday afternoon all of that requires skills that most people could only dream about having.

You obivously have your right to dislike a sport because, to you it may be boring, but saying there are no hero's and no skill in baseball is just absurd.

PS. Go Red Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!, Yankee's Suck......LOL

[Theeggman]

Baseball is the worst sport in the world. Discuss.

I find it interesting that baseball is one of the only popular sports left that doesn't use a clock. In our society I think it's probably a good thing to have around because it ties us to a simpler past. I myself don't watch baseball until the last month or so but I go to at least 1 Dodger game per season because it's a relaxing time with friends, family and overpriced beer. So IMO, baseball is not the most fun sport to watch but I think it should still hold a place in our culture.

Oh, and I too have a cordless keyboard and mouse and believe me it is the way to go.

[a500lbgorilla]

There are no heros in baseball, there are only Jokers and Villians.

LMFAO, Rilla I like you brother but that has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have heard in a long time.

I corrected this statement. Baseball doesnt put its players through the physical exhaustion and high paces of many other sports. This breeds fewer heros. Not none, just fewer.

-'rilla

[a500lbgorilla]

By skill-deprived, I meant lacking in skill. And I was also alluding to steroids. I'm not saying there are no steroids in Football, but I cant think of another sport where so many of it's current "greats" are probably using steroids.

-'rilla

[Wolverine42]

I corrected this statement. Baseball doesnt put its players through the physical exhaustion and high paces of many other sports. This breeds fewer heros. Not none, just fewer.

that you did, I still disagree to a certain extent but you did retract that statement, much obliged....LOL.

By skill-deprived, I meant lacking in skill. And I was also alluding to steroids. I'm not saying there are no steroids in Football, but I cant think of another sport where so many of it's current "greats" are probably using steroids.

I will agree with you that to a certain extent the steroid scandal has taken away from the game. However steroids do not give you the hand eye co-ordination to hit a baseball. Now someone who already has that ability and take steroids to break homerun records ::COUGH:barrybonds::COUGH:: is someone who deserves to be labeled a cheater, but you cannot say that he does not have any skill. It is also un-fair to label a whole sport as skill-deprived because a few guys have been caught using steroids.

Real football is the best game ever.

[a500lbgorilla]

Real football is the best game to play ever.

FYP.

I explained recently that soccer never became popular in the US becuase there are no commericals, therefor no hype. If a sport can get hype, it can get viewers.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

PS. Go Red Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!, Yankee's Suck......LOL

um... close, the Red Sox suck. Go yankees!!!!

And dwarfman- Football pwns Futbol.

And rilla- What people forget about steroids in baseball is the fact that they werent even banned untill 1998. That doesnt make it right, and i hate steroids as much as anybody, but they werent banned. Bud Selig is an Asshat. He has done more damage to baseball than anyone. I still contend that the best homerun hitter in baseball is Ken Griffey Jr. and he is the only one that nobody is throwing the S-word at. He did it with the sweetest swing in the history of mankind, and not by juicing up. If it werent for a series of unfortunate events in each of the last ten years, than he would be at about 1000 HR's right now. In the strike year, he was on pace to hit a legit 80, except weiner Bud Selig had to cut it short. A legit 80, wouldnt that be something.

[a500lbgorilla]

I still have a really shiney Ken Grifft Jr. baseball card somewhere.

-'rilla

[The_Cheat]

i play you heads up for it. i will put up my Mark Messier rangers puck

[Wolverine42]

Real football is the best game ever.

Yes this is true, American Football on the gridiron is the best game ever.

However Soccer is probably one of the tougher sports to play due to the endurance factor. Having said that I am not a huge fan of Soccer. I have watched it before and I played as a little kid but Soccer is one of those sports I have a hard time watching now. I have actually seen quite a few commercials for the MLS but it just doesn't catch on here in the states. I don't think there is enough going on during a soccer game to keep a captive audience here in the good ol' US of A.

[Wolverine42]

um... close, the Red Sox suck. Go yankees!!!!

Here is something we will always disagree on. By the way, hows Johnson and Brown working out for you this year.....LOL. Sorry had to do it.

I still contend that the best homerun hitter in baseball is Ken Griffey Jr. and he is the only one that nobody is throwing the S-word at. He did it with the sweetest swing in the history of mankind, and not by juicing up.

I am glad to see someone say this. He has been dogged ever since he became injury plagued. He was back in the day one of if not my favorite player. He was a classy guy and one hell of a ball player. "WAS" being the key word there, unfortunately we will never have the chance to find out how awesome he truly could have been.

I have heard the sword thrown at him a little, just on sports talk radio saying that maybe some of his injuries were related to steroids but for the most part it was quickly dismissed.

[Legendash]

Dwarf, i don't recall you feeling football was that great last night!

But it's true footy is where it's at, especially international games. But of course americans don't understand the concept of internationals (World Series pfffft)

[Grand_MasterB]

I highly doubt anything will ever pass Football in the USA. It is so far passed baseball and basketball in popularity for professional sports its rediculous. Football is definately "Americas Pasttime" now

[Zangief]

I still have a really shiney Ken Grifft Jr. baseball card somewhere.

I've got his 1989 Upper Deck rookie card. Anybody know how much it's worth?

This discussion always pisses me off. I think we each form our own attachment to different sports when we are young and then cherish those sports for the rest of our years.

I'm a big fan of baseball. A lot of people say baseball is boring, but I am bored to tears by watching people skate back and forth on ice for hours and end with a score of 0-0. And while I can appreciate the skill involved in basketball, having a final score of 150-148 is equally boring to me. The last few minutes can be good.

(American) Football seems to be the most easily enjoyed and interesting sport for most people.

Obviously, all of the sports are driven by money now (if there was ever a time they weren't). How many commercials can they really run in one Super Bowl?

[Element187]

Baseball sucks, NBA rules. I have no idea how people can watch a baseball game, it's like watching a tree grow.

Only thing that sucks in the NBA is the refs, and how my Rockets were robbed!!!

mcgrady is a free agent this year, i wonder if he will come back to the magic

[The_Cheat]

T-MAC is the only player in the NBA worth watching. Ooping yourself off the backboard in traffic. Brilliant

[RiverMonkey]

Shouldn't that in itself prove that baseball is solely driven by the bottom line today? 160 games seems like a bit much. I dunno how many hockey or basketball play.

But i'd assume baseball is all about the money.

-'rilla

Regular NHL season is 82 games, followed by 4 rounds of best-of-7 games playoff series.

Hockey is far and above the best, quickest, most action-packed, entertaining spectator sport. Hands down! This season was the most action-packed yet!!

Today more than ever, all professional (and even some amateur) sports are being perversed by the almighty dollar and commercialism. And yes, I am just bitchin' about it because I don't have any suggestions on how to fix it.

[Les_Worm]

When Reggie Miller leaves this year

Won't happen, I don't care what anyone says.......

[eeeee]

Corking a bat is way worse than snotting a ball. Steroids are bad too. But I still say corking your bat is worse.

the NBA is teh suck too. When Reggie Miller leaves this year, it will be the end of the classy NBA. ...All we have now is thugs jumpin in the stands, and complaining about how $14 million dollars a year is not enough to feed there family, and THEN tanking the whole season. The NBA is a joke.

I agree about the change in personnel being negative, and there being a classier era. And there is plenty of good things to say about Reggie Miller, but you can't call a flopper "classy."

If a sport can get hype, it can get viewers.

-'rilla

Baseball predated the "hype" and "viewers" that I think you are referring to.
Baseball has a charm (you won't hear that word used with any other sport) that is not worth arguing about. You can't tell a child that beer tastes good. Cigars are not an obvious attraction to many people. Older women usually only look good to older men. There's no use in selling baseball's charm. You either get it, or you don't, but, given enough time, you can't imagine not liking it.

[Element187]

When Reggie Miller leaves this year

Won't happen, I don't care what anyone says.......

why worry, indiana still has ron artest ...

........ ... ok i cant keep a straight face AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

[Element187]

who do you think is in the finals ??

phoenix vs. miami is my guestimate... what are the current standings, i dont even know if they are still in it ... been playing too much poker to follow it.


if the magic didnt choke on the second half of the season id be more aware.

[The_Cheat]

And there is plenty of good things to say about Reggie Miller, but you can't call a flopper "classy."

can and will my good man. Reggie is not a flopper. Reggie is the greatest "catch and shoot"er of all time. How the hell does a Shooting Gaurd, with NO handles at all, climb to the top ten of the all time scoring list? By making every single shot he has ever thrown up. I have never seen the man miss. He has the sweetest stroke in the NBA right now, and nobody is even close.

Reggie pwns. case closed

[Element187]

And there is plenty of good things to say about Reggie Miller, but you can't call a flopper "classy."

can and will my good man. Reggie is not a flopper. Reggie is the greatest "catch and shoot"er of all time. How the hell does a Shooting Gaurd, with NO handles at all, climb to the top ten of the all time scoring list? By making every single shot he has ever thrown up. I have never seen the man miss. He has the sweetest stroke in the NBA right now, and nobody is even close.

Reggie pwns. case closed

im not going to argue his accuracy, because its dead on just about everytime.

but his form completely sucks, it is so unorthodox .. but thats how he learned and it works for him.

[The_Cheat]

its unorthodox for sure. but it is beautiful. poetry in motion. he catches, turns toward the basket, flails his arms about, flicks his wrist, and the scorers put three more on the board

[Element187]

i think mcgrady has alot more shooting style .. reggie is more accurate, but mcgrady makes it look easy.

[The_Cheat]

T-MAC is the only player in the NBA worth watching. Ooping yourself off the backboard in traffic. Brilliant

I agree

[bigred]

I wish soccer would become popular in the states. The few spanish and english premier games I get to watch our amazing. Baseball is fun to watch too. I don't know what it is about it. I could watch every red sox game.

Anyway, NBA sucks, college bball is where it's at. They play for competition, not $10000000000 which can't even feed their family!!!!! Idiots... When Jordan and every other legend left, NBA degenerated into the idiots they are today. But hey, maybe it will be more exciting watching players beat up fans!

[Element187]

ron artest and ben wallace should have been banned from the NBA forever.

it was bullshit.

[The_Cheat]

I wish soccer would become popular in the states. The few spanish and english premier games I get to watch our amazing. Baseball is fun to watch too. I don't know what it is about it. I could watch every red sox game.

Anyway, NBA sucks, college bball is where it's at. They play for competition, not $10000000000 which can't even feed their family!!!!! Idiots... When Jordan and every other legend left, NBA degenerated into the idiots they are today. But hey, maybe it will be more exciting watching players beat up fans!

ignorant europeans.

a- college players are now just playing to make it to the league. North Carolina (the reigning college champs) have 6 guys in the draft.
b- the fans in detroit deserved the ass kicking they recieved at the fans of the pacers. anywhere else in this country, if you throw a beer on a 6'6" black man, he is gonna beat your ass. A basketball court is no different
c- soccer is a game invented by european ladies so they could have something to do while their husbands washed the dishes
d- the red sox suck

[Element187]

c- soccer is a game invented by european ladies so they could have something to do while their husbands washed the dishes

AHJAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Yeldud]

b- the fans in detroit deserved the ass kicking they recieved at the fans of the pacers. anywhere else in this country, if you throw a beer on a 6'6" black man, he is gonna beat your ass. A basketball court is no different

The least he could have done is actually attack the man that threw the drink.

There is nothing exciting about the NBA, any game in which you can not hit someone is just down right lame.

[bigred]

I'm not from Europe.

You're an idiot.

And yeah, I LIKE THE YANKEES CAUSE IM A FRONTRUNNER, OH, GO DUKE AND THE LAKERS AND WHOEVER ELSE ARE WINNERS

ps yankees suck.

[vqc]

hey cheat, i bet youve never played a sport in your life.

[Sed]

especially international games. But of course americans don't understand the concept of internationals (World Series pfffft)

There are canadian teams in there... but hell who are we kidding, the US might as well annex canada for all they're worth.

- sed

[tcpj4]

What's even more ridiculous than corking bats or whining about not getting 15 mil a year, is the entire NHL shutting down.

It seems to me, if you make several million a year (last I checked the NHL was the highest paying per player league) there should become a point where it isn't about the money, because really what is the difference between 5 million and 6 million? Heaven forbid hockey players can't swim in their pool of caviar.

Althought hockey is the greatest sport on earth, the NHL is a pathetic league.

oh yeah, and basketball sucks.

[vqc]

wait are you kidding me? NHL the highest paying per player league? HA, HAAHHAHAHAHAHA. no way. Prove it to me. Until you do, I will stand by the idea that the overall average salary for baseball, football, and basketball are all higher than hockey.

[tcpj4]

wait are you kidding me? NHL the highest paying per player league? HA, HAAHHAHAHAHAHA. no way. Prove it to me. Until you do, I will stand by the idea that the overall average salary for baseball, football, and basketball are all higher than hockey.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pre...675892,00.html

Claim's football's average salary per player is 1.1 million

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

Says NBA average salary is less than MLB, NHL, or NFL.

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/col...l_salaries.htm

Average NHL salary is 1.83 million

Baseball's is 2.6 million (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3520558), which is actually pretty obvious if you think about it, playing twice as many games as hockey or basketball.

[vqc]

ok well now your argument is very fragmented.

If baseball should be payed more becuase they play more games, hockey should be payed morebecuase they play more games.

1.83 million divided by an 82 game season comes out to be 22,317 thousand a game.

1.1 million divided by 16 games comes out to be 68,750 dollars a game.

Now, if you want to base it purely off of how much they are paid in a year, then I guess you are correct. NHL SALARY is greater than Football SALARY. However if you want to compare money per game played. Football is 3x more per game.

[vqc]

Furthermore the average roster size of a football team, far far far outnumbers the average roster size of an NHL team.

There obviously exists many players on the NFL roster who do not play and are there for backup reasons. Those players get paid considerably less, therefore they bring down the average salary.

Avg NFL roster ~54'
~30 play
Avg NHL roster ~25
~20 play

If you were to complare only the players who played on both rosters, I am positive that the NFL average pay would be higher than the average NHL roster.