Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
Actually, I'm not sure if this is a topic I can provide much for because I view micro behaviors ultimately as products of macro realities. Under that paradigm, its not ideals that affect society, but environment. Any time I see an ideal affecting things, I can see how they're more basic than assumed, and can't be isolated from environmental factors.

As for the Manhattan Project specifically, I think the ideals were normal social protections and other ones that are found everywhere human society exists, and that it's largely deterministic since any individuals without those ideals would simply be replaced by ones who do, and that it was really the natural progression of physics at the time. Ideals may even be a red herring since the causes of those ideals are biology and environment
Anyone care to paraphrase this for me?