Side effect of banning of poker(is obviously FTR turning on each other)

[celtic123]

Any badslurs for Frenchmen ?

Fixed your post.

And no there isn't.

[Hawk]

Any good slurs for Frenchmen ?

Isn't Frenchman bad enough already? What kind of sick bastard are you?

[celtic123]

Isn't Frenchman bad enough already? What kind of sick bastard are you?

Lol

I lol so much my eyes watered

[drmcboy]

Any good slurs for Frenchmen ?

frog

[rong]

Seriuusly????? Paki shop? There's just no way I'd ever use that expression and neither would anyone I know below the age of 60.

[chemist]

Seriuusly????? Paki shop? There's just no way I'd ever use that expression and neither would anyone I know below the age of 60.

Strange how it was a common term at the end of the last century to describe an english corner shop most likely run by a family of Indian origins rather than Pakistan.

And chinese with a small C is a type of takeaway food.

Germans speak german
French speak french
English speak english
and Americans ...

A strange thread on the beauty of language and culture.

BUT
Although America is only a small percentage of the whole world, contrary to popular stateside beliefs, I believe the original question still has some relevance.

What will be the effect on the ancillary sites like forums?
After posting their grievances at their government the americans may lose interest and reduce their forum usage.
Affiliate revenues may fall and some forums may not be able to provide the events and benefits they previously provided for all their members.
The big poker sites will be slightly reduced but as the first post in this thread suggested the biggest effect will probably be on the smaller websites that provided side services.

[rong]

The word paki makes me feel as uncomfortable as the word nigger, I don't even like hearing either one irl (although Nigga is obv ok in hiphop/gangsta flicks)

[eugmac]

Little black man shop? Paki shop?

[a500lbgorilla]

So wait... is yank a slur?

[d0zer]

So wait... is yank a slur?

solid hobby: trolling southerners by simply calling them yanks.

[Galapogos]

So wait... is yank a slur?

Only if you're calling a non-american one.

[a500lbgorilla]

Only if you're calling a non-american one.

I call them envious.

[kiwiMark]

as a member of the mighty land of the free that would be offended if it were, you get to decide.

[a500lbgorilla]

as a member of the mighty land of the free that would be offended if it were, you get to decide.

I love being called a Yankee. We have a team called the NY Yankees. Shortening it doesn't flip somehow the coin of good and bad.

[a500lbgorilla]

lol it is. List of ethnic slurs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yank
Shortened form of Yankee; English-speaking countries outside the United States use it as a derogatory term for Americans.[199

Oh, this world and all its people. You so crazy.

[baudib]

As an American who lives in the Northeast, I find it highly amusing that anyone would think they could offend an American by calling them a Yankee or Yank. As noted, the Yankees are the most prestigious/richest team in North American sports; there is a song called "Yankee Doodle" that was originally sung by British troops to mock the ragtag Colonials, but we've adopted it proudly as a patriotic anthem.

The only context in which I could see the term "Yankee" as being even mildly offensive is if a Southern American referred to a "Damn Yankee" in a bar or something; then you would know they have hostile intentions.

[surviva316]

itt, white heterosexual males don't understand how someone can be offended by words, so they just assume that people have to either be overly sensitive or just plain stupid to ever be offended.

i am by no means the PC police or anything--i just submitted a story to a workshop in Harlem that uses the n-word which i'm obv gonna catch flack for, i am especially insensitive to the things that xtians consider offensive, i have a love for the c-word, i think censorship of anything (much less EVERYTHING) is dumb, etc--but if someone informs me that saying a certain word or phrase or idea is offensive to a person/peoples, then i'll say, "noted" and proceed to not say that word or phrase or idea when in the company of that person/peoples

the whole grumbling over people being offended by anything thing falls under louis ck's category of "white people problems" (would put youtube link here if i could find it). "i can't believe i have to press "English" on the atm machine! omg what is this country coming to?!"

[BooG690]

YouTube - White People Problems

[surviva316]

YouTube - White People Problems

lol not what i was referring to.

they should mention in this song how black people can use the n-word but white people can't 'cause white people bitch and moan about this all the time

[mrhappy333]

lol not what i was referring to.

they should mention in this song how black people can use the n-word but white people can't 'cause white people bitch and moan about this all the time

YouTube - Artie Lange Nigger Nigga joke

[mrhappy333]

Thread back on track. Good job guys!

[Roid_Rage]

So surviva is basically saying me, Dan, and OngBonga are ignorant white males in his first paragraph and then goes on to say he does the exact same thing in his last paragraph.

Csb.

[BooG690]

So surviva is basically saying me, Dan, and OngBonga are ignorant white males in his first paragraph and then goes on to say he does the exact same thing in his last paragraph.

Csb.

Surviva doesn't question the fact that people actually get offended by words...he seems to understand the fact actually.

[Roid_Rage]

When did I ever say I think people are completely stupid for being offended by a word/words? I got bashed for saying the same thing that he said, just more bluntly.

I don't walk up to a black guy and spout off nigger this, nigger that. (inb4 omg you said the N word) Likwise, I don't go up to a person of Asian descent and call them chinks and gooks, etc. That's obviously not socially acceptable anywhere but in a situation between friends and all understand its a joke, etc.

Clearly, neither does surviva, yet people think I'm a racist, ignorant, douchebag while his explanation is acceptable? Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.

[Roid_Rage]

Yea, I just thought of something while taking a dump. A lot of the guys making a case for the argument that racial slurs are offensive are from bigger cities/more densely populated areas that actually include the races involved.

If you wiki Clare, MI you'll find that something like 98% of the population here is white. I can count on literally one hand the number of people of color that I know in this town. 1 Pakistani dude that owns a gas station, 1 black kid I went to school with for 2 years before he moved, and his 2 brothers.

As for all the white people that live here, I'd say >60% are racist to an extent that I'd feel that would be the object of a gang beating if they ever ended up in the wrong part of town in Chicago, New York, wherever. My stepdad is one of these.

I'm not going to say thats an excuse for my behavior, but I'd be willing to bet that it colors my view of the world. I'll admit I didn't think before I typed my first response which is why I come off as an ass.

I can obviously see why certain words are offensive to certain people, but when I put myself in their shoes, I don't honestly think it would bother me. Clearly this is just one manboy's perspective on a matter that I know next to nothing about (being a white, male) so I'll try to stop passing judgement so much.

[BooG690]

I can obviously see why certain words are offensive to certain people, but when I put myself in their shoes, I don't honestly think it would bother me. Clearly this is just one manboy's perspective on a matter that I know next to nothing about (being a white, male) so I'll try to stop passing judgement so much.

It's probably difficult to understand how a word can be offensive. It's true: how can something as simple as a word offend or hurt the feelings of anyone? How can somebody get so angry by a slur? Allow me to clarify: it isn't the word itself, it's the intention and meaning of the word.

Here comes a boring story. First, some pretext. I'm a Hispanic male (also Persian, but that has nothing to do with this story). I'm Colombian (not Mexican, though like all Asians are Chinese to some, all Hispanics are Mexican to others).

I was in Atlantic City and had just finished grinding. I was ready to go upstairs to my room but figured I'd stop for a bite before sleeping (I was starving). I walked over to a self-serve school-lunch style spot where they served fries, burgers, etc. I was surveying the options when a group of absolutely drunk white kids in their early 20s began approaching the spot. As they approached where I was, one kid goes: "Move it, Mexican." I had done nothing to call for such disrespect. For no reason other than my skin being a bit darker than his, this kid thinks it's OK to disrespect me and tell me to basically gtfo of his way. I became enraged, shoved the kid, and was honestly ready to fight the kid & get arrested over this (his friends broke it up and apologized: "Oh, he's just drunk"). This is actually as mad as I can remember myself.

Now, it seems silly that I got so angry but I understand where I was coming from. For someone to disrespect another person JUST because their skin is darker, their hair is wavy/curly, or whatever other racial difference is just ridiculous.

The word "Mexican" here can be interchanged with Chinaman, Paki, or whatever other stupid ass word was discussed in this thread. These words are usually filled with hate, prejudice, and discrimination. I'm all for joking around with friends. Tbh, I'd be disappointed if I wasn't welcomed with "Sup Mexican?" next time I enter IRC.

Again, it's not the word itself but the disrespect and meaning behind the word.

[celtic123]

It's probably difficult to understand how a word can be offensive. It's true: how can something as simple as a word offend or hurt the feelings of anyone? How can somebody get so angry by a slur? Allow me to clarify: it isn't the word itself, it's the intention and meaning of the word.

Here comes a boring story. First, some pretext. I'm a Hispanic male (also Persian, but that has nothing to do with this story). I'm Colombian (not Mexican, though like all Asians are Chinese to some, all Hispanics are Mexican to others).

I was in Atlantic City and had just finished grinding. I was ready to go upstairs to my room but figured I'd stop for a bite before sleeping (I was starving). I walked over to a self-serve school-lunch style spot where they served fries, burgers, etc. I was surveying the options when a group of absolutely drunk white kids in their early 20s began approaching the spot. As they approached where I was, one kid goes: "Move it, Mexican." I had done nothing to call for such disrespect. For no reason other than my skin being a bit darker than his, this kid thinks it's OK to disrespect me and tell me to basically gtfo of his way. I became enraged, shoved the kid, and was honestly ready to fight the kid & get arrested over this (his friends broke it up and apologized: "Oh, he's just drunk"). This is actually as mad as I can remember myself.

Now, it seems silly that I got so angry but I understand where I was coming from. For someone to disrespect another person JUST because their skin is darker, their hair is wavy/curly, or whatever other racial difference is just ridiculous.

The word "Mexican" here can be interchanged with Chinaman, Paki, or whatever other stupid ass word was discussed in this thread. These words are usually filled with hate, prejudice, and discrimination. I'm all for joking around with friends. Tbh, I'd be disappointed if I wasn't welcomed with "Sup Mexican?" next time I enter IRC.

Again, it's not the word itself but the disrespect and meaning behind the word.

Jesus wept.

What so a boring person. How can anyone erupt do much poo

[Duffryn]

Jesus wept.

What so a boring person. How can anyone erupt do much poo

His story was an explanation of how ignorant drunks can say things that offend people. I would not expect it to be appreciated by someone who thinks referring to the "Paki shop" is fine. Time to lock this thread.

[BennyLaRue]

First, some pretext. I'm a Hispanic male (also Persian, but that has nothing to do with this story).

If I call you a Perspanic, is that racist?

[boost]

If I call you a Perspanic, is that racist?

Can something be both racist and awesome at once?

[BennyLaRue]

Can something be both racist and awesome at once?

Yeah. It's called NASCAR.

[flomo]

If I call you a Perspanic, is that racist?

Calling a Mexican a Mexican = meh, calling a Perspanic a "Perspanic" = outstanding

My iPhone now auto corrects "Perspanic "

[rong]

[Roid_Rage]

Well you were mad because you're not a Mexican, but clearly a terrorist.

[supa]

I live in southern california and work in the construction industry which means I spend alot of time with mexicans. I can honestly say that not a single one of them would be insulted if I called them a mexican. Now mexican't is a completely different story.

[!Luck]

Prob bad for me to jump into this thread, but I need my daily does of variance.

Im with BooG690, I believe the intention is far more important than the words. The problem I have is that to some people in this thread certain words cannot be uttered without a certain intention. This is where I disagree, I believe that it is possible to say all words in way that aren't meant to hurt. But due to the PC culture some words become off limits. This is sad state of affairs. No word, imo, should have power in and out of itself. Life is contextual, the PC cultures takes that away.

Me being the sheep that I am I work hard to never utter certain words regardless of context because the pain it may cause someone and the potential label on me is not worth it to me to risk.

Ironic, may only foray into racial slurs as a joke on this forum hurt me, because though I was leveled by the person I was directing my slur at, I realized I will never be confident to write it again.

[flomo]

Yankee is to American as Canuck is to Canadian
True or false?



I feel I should be learning new slurs itt, like "sand ginger" or "spiggot"

[supa]

Yank offends me and I have no idea why. I guess I don't like how it sounds and really could give a fuck about the yankees or baseball for that matter.

In all honesty I don't really care what you call me, supahaole is really a racist slur toward white people, but a name I adopted as a kid and it just stuck.

[DropTheBanana]

YouTube - I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT

[Halv]

I honestly don't know how to refer to a black person in norwegian anymore. PC BS.

[bigred]

Avoiding this thread is a +EV decision

[baudib]

"Little black man shop" can almost be dismissed as quaint, ignorant but harmless but "Paki shop" is pretty incredible.

[BennyLaRue]

If you're getting bent out of shape for somebody calling you racist, who is the sensitive one again?

[dthorne04]

[Luco]

YouTube - Asian Hooker (with lyrics)

[OngBonga]

Been away for a few days, missed some action here huh?

(although Nigga is obv ok in hiphop/gangsta flicks)

This quote tells me everything that's wrong with the general moron's attitude towards racism. Don't anyone dare say an offensive word (unless it's a black person in a hip-hop video).

No. Sorry. Not having it. If anyone thinks it is ok for black people to say nigger, but not white people, then it is they who are racist.

Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.

Fucking hypocrisy.

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

[kevster]

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

Not but you're clearly studying it, right? Please report back your findings.

[OngBonga]

@ 'rilla...

It's nice to see someone put some thought into this.

Just to clear one thing up, I don't use the term Paki, but I haven't got a problem with its use if it explicitly describes Pakistani people, and not people who look a bit like them. The term "Paki shop" was extremely common here in the UK in the 70's, the PC brigade have succeeded into turning a nickname for the corner shop into something offensive. The people who used the term didn't make it offensive, other people did. The term gollywog wasn't offensive when referring to the doll, until someone decided it was. Times are changing, soon it will be against the law to say "fat", we'll have to say "larger than average" or "horizontally challenged" or some shit.

I realise that some people are offended by certain words. If I know this when I meet someone, I try not to use those words. There are some words I obviously do not use in certain company, Paki is certainly one of those words. But then, I don't have a problem with these words so long as the context is not aggressive.

So a question... is it acceptable for Americans to mock the English for having bad teeth? It doesn't offend me, but then what if I say it does? Does that make anyone who's offending me with such claims a racist? Of course not. I should lighten up.

But, I'm gonna be an arse for a minute (just a minute though). I don't like being called a Brit, it's either Briton or English. I also don't like white caucasian, I prefer Anglo-Saxon. I'm skinny, but I prefer the term lean. Finally, please don't ever refer to me as a dopehead, junkie or waster, I prefer stoner.

We can all be offended by whatever we want. I'm not saying people can't be. I don't care what offends people. All I care about is my intentions, that's all I can control. What offends others is their business.

My concience is clear, there's no hatred in me.

Yes, my last post might be rough, but it's not racist. I don't think there should be a Black Police Association, that's what I think is racism. It is a group that excludes people based on their skin colour. A White Police Association would cause outrage, and rightly so. Why doesn't the black equivelent do the same? Because people are scared of being branded racist. People are too stupid to recognise institutionalised racism, they think that words make people racist. You said "Paki shop"? RACIST!!! This is why I think people are idiots.

[surviva316]

Just to clear one thing up, I don't use the term Paki, but I haven't got a problem with its use if it explicitly describes Pakistani people, and not people who look a bit like them. The term "Paki shop" was extremely common here in the UK in the 70's, the PC brigade have succeeded into turning a nickname for the corner shop into something offensive. The people who used the term didn't make it offensive, other people did. The term gollywog wasn't offensive when referring to the doll, until someone decided it was. Times are changing, soon it will be against the law to say "fat", we'll have to say "larger than average" or "horizontally challenged" or some shit.

I realise that some people are offended by certain words. If I know this when I meet someone, I try not to use those words. There are some words I obviously do not use in certain company, Paki is certainly one of those words. But then, I don't have a problem with these words so long as the context is not aggressive.

see, but you're making the point for me here:

1) it's not against the law to use any word at all. i know you're being hyperbolic for effect, but there's a serious difference here. you can say whatever the fuck you want in the eyes of your gov't (except a few extreme cases of people hanging nazi flags at their campus and being asked to take it down or getting a more severe sentence for calling someone the N-word or calling them a fagot while assaulting them). you just might offend some people if you use certain words in certain contexts, and some might perceive you as a douche if you don't seem to care about it, and some might even call you the R-word for it.

2) it's NOT acceptable for you to call someone fat, and there are a million situations where people prefer to find different ways of expressing it, or just avoid it altogether. when i met the roommate i'd be living with and realized she was pretty hefty, i found a sly way of telling my girlfriend "she didn't need to worry about anything happening because she's far from attractive." what exactly i said wouldnt' make sense here because it's a bit of an inside joke, but the point is, if i'd said "don't worry, she's a big, fat slob," then there'd be a chance my girlfriend would think i was being a prick and be defensive OF A COMPLETE STRANGER! you might say my girlfriend (and most girls) are overly sensitive to this sort of thing, but i also know that there's a lot of pressure on girls to be attractive and in a lot of ways it's nailed into their heads that being fat is like the ultimate taboo and the worst thing you could possibly be (like a guy being gay), so it's a touchy subject. i don't wholly understand, but whatever, it's not worth it to convince every girl i talk to to stop being such a sappy pussy over the whole thing, and in the interest of not being an asshole, i accommodate.

there will NEVER be a law against saying "fat," but you can see that it operates in much the same way as other touchy subjects of discriminated peoples (even in the way that fat people can get away with making a lot more fat jokes, etc)

[surviva316]

So a question... is it acceptable for Americans to mock the English for having bad teeth? It doesn't offend me, but then what if I say it does? Does that make anyone who's offending me with such claims a racist? Of course not. I should lighten up.

But, I'm gonna be an arse for a minute (just a minute though). I don't like being called a Brit, it's either Briton or English. I also don't like white caucasian, I prefer Anglo-Saxon. I'm skinny, but I prefer the term lean. Finally, please don't ever refer to me as a dopehead, junkie or waster, I prefer stoner.

We can all be offended by whatever we want. I'm not saying people can't be. I don't care what offends people. All I care about is my intentions, that's all I can control. What offends others is their business.

i already addressed this when i made the point about how you're a white, healthy, heterosexual male so you don't understand being offended by words or being discriminated against; this doesn't mean that people who DO get offended by certain things are stupid.

i think rilla makes really good points and words it really well (especially with the "that's my white male perspective, but does that make me wrong?"). we don't know what it's like, we CAN'T know what it's like, and we're just left guessing on a lot of things. like rilla, i'd like to think that in their shoes, i wouldn't get so offended, and in fact i have the type of sense of humor to where i'm pretty sure if i were fat i'd be the type of jolly fat guy who laughs at himself all the time, etc, so maybe i wouldn't be all up in arms if i had darker skin over people using certain words, etc?

point is, i don't know. i tend to give other people the benefit of the MASSIVE amount of doubt and play it on the safer side (the touchier the subject and the less i understand where the other person is coming from, the safer i tend, like i don't play it all that safe with terrorist jokes with BooG because it doesn't seem to be all that touchy of a subject, and i don't play it safe with jesusdiedlol jokes because i understand where they're coming from and i think it's all a heap of shit that i can't make jokes about it).

[OngBonga]

i already addressed this when i made the point about how you're a white, healthy, heterosexual male so you don't understand being offended by words or being discriminated against; this doesn't mean that people who DO get offended by certain things are stupid.

It shouldn't matter whether I'm white, black, healthy or not. However, I do indeed know what it means to be discriminated against and called names, I had retard and spacker at school for years. It's not nice, but then it's not the worst thing that can happen. I'd rather be called a spastic than punched in the face.

And I never suggested that those who get offended are stupid... I said they were too sensetive.

[boost]

Been away for a few days, missed some action here huh?



This quote tells me everything that's wrong with the general moron's attitude towards racism. Don't anyone dare say an offensive word (unless it's a black person in a hip-hop video).

No. Sorry. Not having it. If anyone thinks it is ok for black people to say nigger, but not white people, then it is they who are racist.

Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.

Fucking hypocrisy.

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

Awesome level bro.

[baudib]

Here in the UK, there is an organisation called National Black Police Association, which, as its name suggests, is an organisation for black police officers, designed to improve the working conditions of black police. Now, anyone who dares to have a private organisation for white people only is racist.

Fucking hypocrisy.

Most of you fucking idiots don't know what it means to be racist.

OB: For someone who has complained about other people being overly sensitive and claimed three times in this thread that you have no hate in you, you do seem to have a lot of pent-up anger and resentment.

Of course, real racism/discrimination/prejudice (they are different things) rarely has anything to do with hate. Full-blown open hate is easy enough to deal with.

[a500lbgorilla]

Re OngBonga

Re: Paki "In recent times there has been a trend by second and third-generation British Pakistanis to reclaim the word. The word has been turned into a keepsake for the young British Pakistani community that is not acceptable for someone outside the community to say it, including Indians and Bangladeshis."

Same as nigga.

Hopefully part of the evolution of things. "That offends me." "That offends me and my father." "That offends me and my father and my father's father... Y'know what? It's mine now. Imma celebrate it." "Yeah, it was a big deal to my granddad, but it's just a word so whatever."

Now the children of the children of the children of the offenders are saying, "Fuck it all. Let's start at square one. I won't use Paki offensively and you won't be offended by Paki."

So what if white people owned black people? I didn't own black people. You weren't owned. Whatever the perceived or actual differences are between the two races, how is it not the top option to press the tare button in this instance?

That's my personal opinion. I don't care to spread it but I know I'd like to function under its assumptions. If I say something that offends you personally, I will apologize and attempt to avoid it in future but I'd like to believe if roles were reversed, I'd also apologize and attempt to avoid being offended.

It's a word, it's not your job to police the thoughts in someone else's mind. If they're a bit racist (which I think all people are), you probably are too (because I think all people are). And we both need to find a tactic that allows us to amicably work together and around that fact.

It may be that the impetus for these beliefs comes from being a white male, but so be it. That doesn't invalidate the thoughts.

Re: OngBonga, still though, your post comes across as pretty rough.

[Shotglass]

And we ALL need to find a tactic that allows us to amicably work together and around that fact.

FYP.

[OngBonga]

Haha!

Rep comment - "You're still a stone cold retard".

Yes, my friend, this is true. That's like calling a black man a nigger. So how is it ok to go calling people retards, yet it's not ok to call my takeaway a chinky? Personally, I think both are ok, but I'm just pointing the hypocrisy out.

I think some people don't even know what hypocrisy means, let alone racism.

You guys are awesome.

[surviva316]

ongbonga, there are sooooooooooooooooo many points to address in response to your posts that it's tough for me to think it's anywhere near 0eV for me to bother, but siiiiiiiigh internet arguments are irresistible for me.

RE: black people can use the N-word and white people can't- Short answer: why do you care? do you REALLY wanna use the n-word THAT bad that it's just eating you up inside? are you really THAT unaccustomed to being derived of a freedom that others have that it just burns you up this much inside? This double standard is probably pretty close to literally the smallest, most insignificant injustice in the entire world, which makes you bitching about it (or even bringing it up, or hell, even NOTICING it) make you seem like you've lived quite a privileged life. Hence my referencing louis CK's "white people complaints" bit earlier.

Long answer: We're still early-ish in the history of black people using the N-word, and it never was and still isn't now in many respects just some word like "dude" or "crap" for black people even when black people say it. It was first used by Richard Prior in his stand up--in the VERY beginning it was used by him to satirize white people's thoughts and dialogue, like "Oh my gosh, these n-words have taken all the seats." it was kind of a shock value type joke that caught black people and white people alike off guard. There's something to doing something that makes people feel uncomfortable that makes some people laugh very hard. Since the word became a sort of joke and represented a SATIRE of white people's thoughts of black people instead of a show of dominance of white people over black people as it had been used by white people. Dave Chapelle would take this to a WHOLE new extreme with his "Black White Supremacist" skit.

in later stand up he used it a lot more as a black person talking to a black person and using the word--not the same type of satire, but the same type of effect of taking the power out of the word and making a bit of a mockery out of it. even though it might seem like (based on how it's used in a lot of hip hop) that it's just another way to say "dude" or something, but really it's still mostly used in the same way richard prior used it; as a turning of an offensive word on its head for a little shock value for rhetorical effect--whether it be for a laugh, for emphasis, or even to use it derogatorily (note, for example, how Dana uses it in the last scene of friday . . . sorry i know that you're a brit so you have no idea waht i'm talking about, but i can't find a link).

for the most part, though, it hasn't lost it's Extremely-Offensive status for anyone regardless of the race that's saying it. chris rock certainly caught a lot of flack for his infamous "two kinds of black people" bit, and it's understandable why. he basically takes the N-word and redefines it in the exact way that it was used offensively by white people for generations; basically saying that there are two kinds of black people, and one kind is just down, low, no-good, dogs (or, in other words, the N-word, as used by white people for so many generations).

It's like if someone were to endearingly call their girlfriend "cunt" as a bit of a joke (and as a way to make light of a word that was otherwise very traumatic for your girlfriend in the past for some reason i can't think of because i'm not THAT good at coming up with analogies). it grows to be a bit of an inside joke that is kinda cute and funny after a while, like "cunt, just come over" said with a huge smirk on your face. after a while you get more comfortable with it, and you can use it in more situations and with less emphasis that you're completely joking and you don't mean it you swear, but probably at no point does it COMPLETELY lose it's edge and there never gets to be a point where there's NO bad situation you can use it in where your girlfriend will get REALLY pissed at you for using it in that context or with that tone or around certain people or with certain intention. and finally, and most obviously, if ANYONE else were to dare call your girlfriend a cunt, regardless of whether or not it's with a smirk on their face or not, you will knock their fuckin' lights out . . . end of story.

[surviva316]

RE: Black Police Association thing

This one's pretty simple, really. Groups that have legitimate concerns about unequal pay, decreased chances of promotion or other workplace difficulties (even just the mere being a minority and being the one or two "different" people in the workplace falls under this) have a legitimate, non-prejudice-based reason to form a group to make sure they're looking out for their good. If you're a white heterosexual male with no disabilities, no mental health problems, etc, then it's gonna be tough to argue that you have a need for a group that looks out for the equality of your wages, being the "different" person in the workplace, etc. it's not a "you're not invited" club, it's just a "you don't need a club like this" club.

there may be some very rare instances where some white males have a legitimate gripe about being taken seriously in their predominantly black workforce and get shunned out of town when they even think of suggesting and all white organization to secure their equal opportunity rights, but i doubt that you personally are affected by any such situation and, again, since it's such a proportionately low and unlikely unjustice in the great scheme of things, worrying about that one outlier is just silly

[rong]

Richard prior is a fucking legend.

[WillburForce]

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

[OngBonga]

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

So punching people is ok, but using what you consider offensive words is not ok? That is what I consider stupid.

Words worse than violence. What a moron.

[WillburForce]

So punching people is ok, but using what you consider offensive words is not ok? That is what I consider stupid.

Words worse than violence. What a moron.

what you consider stupid, obv differs from me then.

Moran.

[celtic123]

Just wow.

Some seriously stupid people itt.

If I heard someone use say chinky or pakishop next to me in the pub, I'd almost certainly punch them.

Come in then . The parkfield pub. Eastbourne
Uk

[WillburForce]

Come in then . The parkfield pub. Eastbourne
Uk

Eastborne? No wonder you have the views you do.

[OngBonga]

OB: For someone who has complained about other people being overly sensitive and claimed three times in this thread that you have no hate in you, you do seem to have a lot of pent-up anger and resentment.

Of course, real racism/discrimination/prejudice (they are different things) rarely has anything to do with hate. Full-blown open hate is easy enough to deal with.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. Yeah I get angry from time to time, that's not hatred, anger is something that we all feel sometimes. Resentment? Not sure about that one. Who do I resent? I certainly do not resent anyone for their skin colour, and I don't resent anyone who tries to tell me how I should behave. I just ignore them.

And you bring up discrimination... Discrimination can work both ways... I am being discriminated against because I am white. If someone says to me "You can't say that because you're white", that, my friend, is discrimination, plain and simple. How is it ok to discrimiiate against the white man, but not the black man? Is that what equality is?

And real racism has everything to do with hate.

good post

I don't agree that it's ok for some people to say nigger and not others. I believe that equality means everyone is equal, and should be treated so. And yes, I get angry from time to time, that's a whole different thing to hatred.

As for the Black Police thing, I agree with some points you make. Yes, there should indeed be a body that ensures fairness in the workforce, but having a club for just black people does exactly the opposite. The body should ensure fairness for ALL, not just those of a certain colour. What about the mentally handicapped in the Police force? If they're white, they don't get represented by the NBPA. What about the women? Or the Irish? One doesn't have to be black to face discrimination.

And as for the Privleged life" thing, well, that's all about perspective. I am privileged, compared to a great many people. But then, that doesn't mean I've had it easy. I got called all sorts at school, including retard and spastic. I just took it on the chin and got on with my life. I've faced discrimination, I still fucking do in this forum, but of course, since I'm white, no-one seems to think it's as bad as racism. Maybe it's not as bad as true racism, but it's exactly the same as calling someone names based on their skin colour. Ignorance and racism are not the same thing. Racism stems from intolerance, ignorace is just that, ignorance. Calling Chinese food "chinky" is not intolerance, refusing to eat Chinese food because I would like them to fuck off back to China would be intolerance. But that's not me. I like the Chinese, they come to our country, learn our language and work hard. Good on them, I have no problem whatsoever with them. I have issues with certain people who don't learn our language and cream our benefits, those are the people who should fuck off. But that's not racism, those of the same race who do learn the language and work I have no issue with.

And yes, Richard Prior is indeed a fucking legend.

[baudib]

I disagree with pretty much all of this. Yeah I get angry from time to time, that's not hatred, anger is something that we all feel sometimes. Resentment? Not sure about that one. Who do I resent? I certainly do not resent anyone for their skin colour, and I don't resent anyone who tries to tell me how I should behave. I just ignore them.

And you bring up discrimination... Discrimination can work both ways... I am being discriminated against because I am white. If someone says to me "You can't say that because you're white", that, my friend, is discrimination, plain and simple. How is it ok to discrimiiate against the white man, but not the black man? Is that what equality is?

And real racism has everything to do with hate.



I don't agree that it's ok for some people to say nigger and not others. I believe that equality means everyone is equal, and should be treated so. And yes, I get angry from time to time, that's a whole different thing to hatred.

I mean, I have to assume you're just being deliberately obtuse about this. What you describe has nothing at all to do with discrimination but merely the observation of common sense behavior and common decency. Discrimination is the practice of unjustly depriving someone of something (the use of water fountains, choice seats on a bus, a job) because of skin color/gender/religion etc. The fact that it is not acceptable for a white person to call a black person a "N-word" does not deprive them of anything.

Let's get serious. You know this of course, unless you're truly socially inept and unaware. Let's say you are out on the town with your mates, your best friend, your brother, whatever. You are busting each others' balls and refer to each other by various colorful names (dickhead, wanker, cocksucker, etc.). Now this may be considered impolite in certain circles but at your local pub, it's pretty much the norm and everyone understands this. But if a complete stranger comes over to your table and calls you the same names, then you are going to have a different reaction.

As for the Black Police thing, I agree with some points you make. Yes, there should indeed be a body that ensures fairness in the workforce, but having a club for just black people does exactly the opposite. The body should ensure fairness for ALL, not just those of a certain colour. What about the mantally handicapped in the Police force? If they're white, they don't get represented by the NBPA. What about the women? Or the Irish? One doesn't have to be black to face discrimination.

This should also be on the list of white people's "problems." Surviva makes good points but I'd go further. In the workplace, minorities of any type face certain obstacles. When you are talking specifically about the police force (and I am going to make a broad assumption that police departments in the UK operate similarly to ones in the U.S., and that the dynamic between white and black officers is similar) these obstacles can be fairly monumental.

We'd like to think/hope that our societies are true meritocracies, but in same cases it just ain't so. People in any field sometimes get promoted, better salaries, better assignments, preferential treatment of various sorts, because of who they know. This is particularly true in many police departments, which often feature the classic buddy networks; also, police departments are notorious for sweeping internal problems under the carpet. Furthermore, minority cops face particular challenges/pressures from their own communities as well as the neighborhoods they serve or might face difficulties in dealing with superiors from a different ethnic background.

[OngBonga]

I mean, I have to assume you're just being deliberately obtuse about this. What you describe has nothing at all to do with discrimination but merely the observation of common sense behavior and common decency.

Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

Racism is simply about considering yourself/your group to be superior

Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

[WillburForce]

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

[OngBonga]

If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

Yeah I can see what you're getting at here. Problem being, I'm not actually racist, so there's no way I'm voting for people who actually want to discriminate against minorities.

Did I not say I want equality?

[baudib]

Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur. I assume you're not a sociopath so this is just you being obtuse. Some sort of "familial agreement" is part of basic behavior in pretty much all mammals. The cunt example given above illustrates this. If I pinch my girlfriend's ass in public and she doesn't mind, that's OK. If you pinch my girlfriend's ass, it's not OK.

To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

Quotas and affirmative action aren't ideal by any means, but generally they exist because of past inequities. I don't know the particulars of the towns/police forces you're talking about, but I'm pretty freaking sure that quotas don't exist because there is an official black police organization. A police force is pretty much a work force where it is not only preferable to have an ethnic mix that reflects the population it serves, but pretty much essential.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you compared salaries of white officers to black officers, or go up the chain of command, you'll probably have a really difficult time showing that a white cop is being discriminated against.

Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

I think this just shows you make broad generalizations.

[OngBonga]

A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur.

And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it. If a black person says I can't say a word that his black friends can use, then he's the one being racist. I can't use the word because I'm white? Hello discrimination.

[BennyLaRue]

What about the mentally handicapped in the Police force?

From what I can see, this isn't a problem.

[BooG690]

OngBonga's not racist. He eats Chinese food.

[Roid_Rage]

BooG's not racist, he's Mexican!

[Roid_Rage]

I'm going to add that OngBonga is far and above my favorite poster itt. The rest of you guys are just intolerant bastards.