Side effect of banning of poker(is obviously FTR turning on each other)

[OngBonga]

I mean, I have to assume you're just being deliberately obtuse about this. What you describe has nothing at all to do with discrimination but merely the observation of common sense behavior and common decency.

Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

Racism is simply about considering yourself/your group to be superior

Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

[WillburForce]

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

[OngBonga]

If you really believe this, there is a party with very similar views you could vote for.

Yeah I can see what you're getting at here. Problem being, I'm not actually racist, so there's no way I'm voting for people who actually want to discriminate against minorities.

Did I not say I want equality?

[WillburForce]

Yeah I can see what you're getting at here. Problem being, I'm not actually racist, so there's no way I'm voting for people who actually want to discriminate against minorities.

Did I not say I want equality?

You're missing the point though - the things that you view as anti-equality are put there to try and create equality...

[OngBonga]

You're missing the point though - the things that you view as anti-equality are put there to try and create equality...

Well, it's failing dismally. Equality will only exist when everyone is treated the same. Right now, we're not treated the same.

Get rid of the NBPA, and have a National Police Association for Equality and Fairness, or something like that. Let them represent white people who feel discriminated against as well as blacks. There should be no conflict of interest, so long as there is no institutionalised racism within the force (pipe dream).

A white person who is not racist would be happy to represent a black person who is claiming discrimination, and vica versa. There is no need to have their own organisation, doing so just means that even at government level, not everyone is treated equally.

The NBPA, and other organisations explicitly for black people, only serves to increase the distance between white people and black. The NBPA is institutionalised racism, there's no other way to put it. Why can't a white person be a member?

[BooG690]

Let them represent white people who feel discriminated against

I laughed.

[baudib]

Yes, I am being deliberately obtuse at times, I guess I'm getting quite a lot of enjoyment out of this thread. But, it's not for you or I to determine what level of inequality we need to get to before we're discriminating. It's not about things we want, it's about what I can and can't do compared to someone of a different race. I want pure equality, which means I have exactly the same rights as a black person, and they have the same rights as me. I don't care what colour people's skin are, if I can't say a word because it is offensive, then it's offensive for anyone to use it. If using that word makes me racist, then a black person using the word is racist.

Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur. I assume you're not a sociopath so this is just you being obtuse. Some sort of "familial agreement" is part of basic behavior in pretty much all mammals. The cunt example given above illustrates this. If I pinch my girlfriend's ass in public and she doesn't mind, that's OK. If you pinch my girlfriend's ass, it's not OK.

To expand of the Police situation, there is discrimination against white people in the force, but they have no-one to represent them. The discrimination they face is due to targets that the Police are under pressure to meet, which states that a certain percentage of the work force should be made up of certain races and minorities. The problem comes when a white person and a black person of equal qualification both apply for the same position, and the black person gets the job so the force meet these targets. How is this fair? I'm not suggesting the white person should get the job, but you'd like to think there would be somewhere near a 50-50 split in these instances. That isn't the case.

This comes as a result of one race having representaion at official level, and the other not getting any. There's an imbalance of power.

It has got to the point in this country where the word "equality" means minorities should be treated better than the whites. That's a pretty twisted interpretation of equality, in my opinion.

Quotas and affirmative action aren't ideal by any means, but generally they exist because of past inequities. I don't know the particulars of the towns/police forces you're talking about, but I'm pretty freaking sure that quotas don't exist because there is an official black police organization. A police force is pretty much a work force where it is not only preferable to have an ethnic mix that reflects the population it serves, but pretty much essential.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that if you compared salaries of white officers to black officers, or go up the chain of command, you'll probably have a really difficult time showing that a white cop is being discriminated against.

Well, since I think the white people of America and Britain are, generally speaking, fucking idiots, I'd say I'm miles away from this definition of racism. I think the Japanese and Chinese are superior. Does that make me racist against whites, or just observant?

I think this just shows you make broad generalizations.

[OngBonga]

A black person is likely going to have a different reaction to you using a slur than a black person using the same slur.

And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it. If a black person says I can't say a word that his black friends can use, then he's the one being racist. I can't use the word because I'm white? Hello discrimination.

[BennyLaRue]

And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it.

It's like how you can call your girlfriend fat but if someone else calls her fat, you get pissed. It's like that. Because she's fat.

[Ash256]

And here in lies the problem. Why the different reaction? If the word is offensive, it's offensive for anyone to use it. If a black person says I can't say a word that his black friends can use, then he's the one being racist. I can't use the word because I'm white? Hello discrimination.