Something I should say more often

[OngBonga]

I dunno about Obamagate, but mail voting should not be allowed for anyone able enough to walk. Lazy fuckers. Get to the polling station. I do it even when I'm not going to vote.

[Poopadoop]

I dunno about Obamagate, but mail voting should not be allowed for anyone able enough to walk. Lazy fuckers. Get to the polling station. I do it even when I'm not going to vote.

You don't get time off from work by law to vote in the US. Also some of their districts have very sparse voting stations. If it was a choice between standing in line for four hours, unpaid, to vote, and mail in voting I think I'd do the latter.

[MadMojoMonkey]

You don't get time off from work by law to vote in the US. Also some of their districts have very sparse voting stations. If it was a choice between standing in line for four hours, unpaid, to vote, and mail in voting I think I'd do the latter.

It depends on the employer whether you get time off to vote / can count time voting as on-the-clock.

There's no minimum requirement for absentee ballots in MO. If you choose to use mail-in ballots, that's just one equal option among many.

It's not like using a polling station is more secure. Electronic voting machines are more prone to voter fraud than mail-in ballots, from all I've heard and seen. FFS, I saw a news story where they literally showed you where to find those E-voting machines when they're not in use, and the security on them is an absolute crap-shoot, ranging from them being kept in locked and guarded buildings to them sitting in public hallways.

That same news article showed how you can walk right up to them and hack them - if you know how - and literally replace their OS to whatever you like. If the UI looks like the original, then no one is likely to even suspect the machine was tampered with.

Paper ballots suffer from their own problems. Hanging chads, people who don't know how to fill them out properly, people misspelling something or other human errors.


Mail in ballots may be subject to their own kinds of fraud, but it's not like any other voting method is "more" secure. They just have different avenues to hack them.

[OngBonga]

You don't get time off from work by law to vote in the US. Also some of their districts have very sparse voting stations. If it was a choice between standing in line for four hours, unpaid, to vote, and mail in voting I think I'd do the latter.

Well then, they need to force employers to let their staff vote, and they need reasonable access to polling stations. I'm sure there will be some isolated tiny villages, I guess they can be allowed to vote by mail. But the vast majority of people, there should be no need. It's crazy for the reasons wuf has stated. It calls into question the integrity of the entire process.

And yeah, anything more than an hour long wait is going to put people off. We don't have this problem. Maybe they should spend less money on propaganda before the election and more money on actually holding it.

[oskar]

I dunno about Obamagate, but mail voting should not be allowed for anyone able enough to walk. Lazy fuckers. Get to the polling station. I do it even when I'm not going to vote.

Yay, but the UK doesn't have the same kind of voter suppression problem the US has. I always vote in person, but if I had to potentially wait 3 hours at a polling place on a work day, I wouldn't.