Something I should say more often

[CoccoBill]

The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people, but the silence over that by the good people.

[wufwugy]

The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people, but the silence over that by the good people.

Which gets to another one of the major messaging failures of the current iteration of the movement.

I understand the use of bad examples of cruelty because I understand the philosophical backing of the movement. But the vast majority of people don't understand that, and what they see is martyring of criminals and lowlifes. It's super non-persuasive to most people, and it has made MILLIONS of people believe the unequal treatment is a lie.

But it's not a lie, there are so many examples of true legit system injustice against black people in ways that happen less often (but still happen) to white people.


About the spark to the current protests: it was the perfect moment. The visuals were so clear and persuasive, and the entire world was on the same page.

But then Antifa started rioting.

[MadMojoMonkey]

But then Antifa started rioting.

If you can share with me any evidence of a reality of this group's existence, and not just a bold label attached to anyone who acts in a way that offends our current POTUS, then I'll gladly take that in and let it revise my understanding.

I've seen no evidence that Antifa is anything but a boogeyman - not dissimilar to accusations of communism during the McCarthy era.


We should all be extremely skeptical with the idea that anyone can be accused of being a member of a terrorist organization, and prosecuted on that accusation without overwhelming proof.
Let's just take "terrorist organization" as a metaphor for whatever the right phrase is for an American group that does terrorist-like things, since there is no legal framework with allows an American group to be called or responded to as a terrorist group.

[wufwugy]

If you can share with me any evidence of a reality of this group's existence, and not just a bold label attached to anyone who acts in a way that offends our current POTUS, then I'll gladly take that in and let it revise my understanding.

I've seen no evidence that Antifa is anything but a boogeyman - not dissimilar to accusations of communism during the McCarthy era.


We should all be extremely skeptical with the idea that anyone can be accused of being a member of a terrorist organization, and prosecuted on that accusation without overwhelming proof.
Let's just take "terrorist organization" as a metaphor for whatever the right phrase is for an American group that does terrorist-like things, since there is no legal framework with allows an American group to be called or responded to as a terrorist group.

You're right, most of the rioters, assaulters, and murderers probably are not Antifa.