Something I should say more often

[OngBonga]

...but to be fair Mohammed wasn't targeting a particular race with his slavery.

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What's worse? Slavery or racism?

Besides, you're not being fair. He discriminated against people based on their religion. He enslaved non-Muslims, those who would not convert. I don't see why that's any better than pure racism.

I didn't know the left was a fan of Mohammed. Certainly not the educated left.

The left are quick to defend Islam from the "racists".

I don't expect Briish people alive today to be ashamed of those sins any more than I expect Muslims to.

Nor do I. But I do agree with removing statues of slave traders, preferably through legal channels. We shouldn't celebrate these people. That's not whitewashing history, it's just refusing to celebrate the darker chapters.

It's a bit different with Muslims though. Their entire belief system is built of the moral superiority of one person. It's not about being ashamed of what Mohammed did, it's being ashamed of personally considering this person to be the epitome of morality. Imagine if it emerged Jesus kept slaves, what impact would that have on Christianity?

I wouldn't pull down Churchill either; he was a product of his times and you'd have a hard time finding someone who wasn't racist back then tbf.

Pulling down Churchill statues would cause way too much division here and I'd expect things to kick off if it happened. I appreciate he has a shady past, but he defeated Hitler, of course we're going to celebrate him. I'm sure all sides agree that Hitler was a cunt, with the obvious exception of the far right, and it's not the far right that want to tear down statues of Churchill. Strange that, seeing as he's the opponent of their messiah, while the baying mobs of today just think he was racist.

[CoccoBill]

The left are quick to defend Islam from the "racists".

I'm not sure, but I think you've mistaken defending persons who are muslim for defending Islam.

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What's worse? Slavery or racism?

If slavery were an ongoing problem today we could debate that. Racism is an ongoing problem, that's why all the hubbub about racism atm.

Besides, you're not being fair. He discriminated against people based on their religion. He enslaved non-Muslims, those who would not convert. I don't see why that's any better than pure racism.

I'm not defending that, I just don't think that makes a statue of a slave trader worth keeping.

The left are quick to defend Islam from the "racists".

What Coco said.

Nor do I. But I do agree with removing statues of slave traders, preferably through legal channels. We shouldn't celebrate these people. That's not whitewashing history, it's just refusing to celebrate the darker chapters.

I heard they had been trying to get the statue of Colston (sp?) in Bristol taken down for years by legal means, and weren't getting anywhere.

It's a bit different with Muslims though. Their entire belief system is built of the moral superiority of one person. It's not about being ashamed of what Mohammed did, it's being ashamed of personally considering this person to be the epitome of morality.

Since slavery isn't being practiced in Muslim countries today (afaik) presumably they don't consider him the final word on morality. Or perhaps they understand he lived in different times and slavery was a thing then. It's not like he invented it or something, or told his followers they had to keep slaves to be righteous.

Imagine if it emerged Jesus kept slaves, what impact would that have on Christianity?

The same effect this fact about Moha. has on muslims. None.

Do you really think someone would give up being Christian if it turned out Jebus was a slave trader 2000 years ago?

Strange that, seeing as he's the opponent of their messiah, while the baying mobs of today just think he was racist.

It is strange; their whole sense of morality has suddenly become 100% focussed on racism. Like there's nothing else that matters.