Speeding Ticket

[supermoneyz1]

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[hydroseeds]

Plead insanity.

[Greedo017]

if you are sure it does not go on your insurance, just go and bitch at them and pay your fine because they don't give a flying shit. if it goes on your insurance, get a lawyer.

[Lukie]

None of your arguments/points have any merit from a legal standpoint. Except perhaps the first one, but I doubt it.

[bluey]

None of your arguments/points have any merit from a legal standpoint. Except perhaps the first one, but I doubt it.

i agree. the only way i see you getting out on your own is if you look up the law and find that school zones have to have a blinking light. otherwise do the lawyer thing and he'll get it reduced or whatever.

[Rabid Dog]

If you go argue the ticket using those excuses, then wouldn't that be admitting you was the one driving the car? Would they then be able to ticket you as the driver and then it would go on your insurance. I'm not sure how that works, just asking.

[!Luck]

Easy ask to see the software used to caculate the speed. When the private company refuses, claim that this lack of discover breaks an amendment or two. Your off free or at the very least postpone payment for several years.

[bigred]

Plead insanity.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

You're lucky you were caught by a camera and not by an actual police officer. Quit your bitching and just pay the damn fine.

[bigred]

You're lucky you were caught by a camera and not by an actual police officer. Quit your bitching and just pay the damn fine.

Ur always so delicate and sensitive of people's feeling dnuts, I vote you for person of the year.

[Galapogos]

My ticket is for going 28 mph in a 20 mph school zone on April 12. 3 things make me want to argue the ticket....

1. School Zone is not marked well (there is not a flashing light)

Not well marked? What about the big school on the side of the road?

[AHiltz]

There was a case here in NS a year or so ago. The driver was clocked at 70 in the school zone which is 50. Problem is, the sign says 50 when children present. No kids were out, so he argued that no kids were present and won.

On the other side of the coin, you shouldn't need a flashing light to see that it's a school zone. Once you have kids (I have 2 school aged) you will understand why people should slow the fuck down.

Suck it up, pay the ticket and slow down next time.

[chardrian]

Argue it - if the cop doesn't show up, you win (and that happens more often than you'd think).

The judge isn't going to increase the fine- so there's no harm in trying.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

You're lucky you were caught by a camera and not by an actual police officer. Quit your bitching and just pay the damn fine.

Ur always so delicate and sensitive of people's feeling dnuts, I vote you for person of the year.

It wasn't a cop, it was a camera. As far as I know tickets issued via camera can't be assessed against your license, and hence they can't be assessed against your insurance either. If the ticket was issued by an officer though, it definately could and probably would be. In that case it probably would've been a lot more than $100. Consider yourself lucky, pay the fine, and slow down. Trying to weasel your way out of $100 on technicality in a case when you were actually in the wrong probably isn't worth the headache. Better?

[chardrian]

Recently I was fined over 100 bucks for speeding in an alleged school zone. It was one of those damn cars that has a camera in it and can somehow record you're speed and take a picture of you're license plate.

To me that means a cop was driving the car with a camera in it. He was pulled over and given a ticket. If it was one of those cameras hooked up to the lightpost he woulda said that.

FIGHT THE POWER!!

[donkbee]

The lawyer has spoken.

[supermoneyz1]

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[Rabid Dog]

Go back and check the sign. If it says "When children are present" then I think you win this. Around here we have all different kinds of school signs. Some have blinking lights and some dont. Some just have the times printed on them that the school zone is in effect. Then there are some that just say "When kids are present". I dont trust them though and follow the school zone whether kids are present or not. Too easy for a cop to say he saw a child walking around.

[AHiltz]

I have a clean driving record and never had a problem with speeding

for going 28 mph.........Actual speed limit is 25

For your pleasure. So would the problem be that YOU don't have a problem with it, or that the cops have never had once since you didn't get caught? It's only slightly over, but it's over.

I go over the limit all the time. There are plenty of side roads where I live that are 80km/h or 70km/h and you can easily drive 90 on them and I do. But, I do so knowing that I am speeding and that it's going to be a fine if I'm caught.

Take responsibility for your actions. You could have slowed down to be sure in the school zone. Either way, by your own admission you were speeding.

[Warpe]

Suck it up. I've been caught by photo radar vans a couple of times in - you guessed it - a school zone, one I drive through everyday. Do I speed there anymore? No.

[Greedo017]

what the sign exactly says matters a lot. that's pretty much all i could imagine would help you, was if it says when children are present, rather than having a time. Most signs around me have times, and if school got out at 3, the time would certainly be earlier than 3.

[joshuadzl]

Lawyer. Guarntee there is a traffic lawyer in your area who has some sort of "if you're not off you dont pay" deal. In Wa, its cake getting speeding tickets dropped if youre willing to pay a lawyer $300~.

[DaNutsInYoEye]

Read my initial post to realize that THERE WERE NO CHILDREN PRESENT.

Why do you think they have school zones?? Children do stupid shit. They don't watch what they are doing. They run into streets. Just because you didn't happen to see any children doesn't mean they weren't there. They don't have reduced speed limits outside of factories around the time work gets off because it's assumed that a working adult has enough sense not to get their ass run over. You can't assume children will pay attention though. You also can't expect every driver to remember what time school gets out in that area and expect them to be alert for kids when they are trying to pay attention to the road and thinking about all other kinds of things.

That's the point of having a school zone. To let people know that school is getting out and to slow the fuck down. It's not only for the children coming out, but for the people responsible for getting them home. Buses are arriving at the school. Parents are coming to pick up their children. These people arrive BEFORE school gets out. The roads around the school generally become more congested and are more active with people leading up until the time school gets out. Having a reduced speed makes this environment safer.

I don't understand your "alleged" school zone argument. It is either a school zone or it isn't. Many school zones have flashing lights, but they are not required to do so. It must be posted though. If you were supposedly aware enough to know there were absolutely no children present in the area then you should have been aware enough to notice a sign.

You got a ticket. It sucks. Take some responsibilty for your actions though.

[euphoricism]

If you come to an intersection with a stop sign, and there is no traffic coming, do you run it? If you had run a stop sign because you could clearly see "No one was coming!", do you think you would get off, or be able to argue this "on principle"?

Now youre in a school zone, but you think you can go faster than the posted limit because, "Theres no children out!"

Do you see a parallel?

You were in a school zone. There were signs posted that said "school zone" and gave an acceptable MAXIMUM speed. You exceeded that. You are expected to obey laws, not make judgement calls on them and form an opinion as to when it is the correct time to follow them. Theyre not called "guidelines"

[hydroseeds]

You may be able to get the ticket REDUCED under the following condition:

If the School Zone sign HAS lights, and they were NOT flashing, you could argue that the speed limit is still 25. The point of the lights is to alert you that the School Zone Speed Limit is in effect - if they are not flashing, then you are left to rely on the sign that tells you the time of the School Zone Speed Limit being in effect, which you say was labelled that it didn't begin until 3:00. Thus, without the lights flashing, there is no indication that the speed limit has changed from its regular 25 MPH.

Note that the ticket might only be reduced - you were still speeding, so they could charge you with that. However, the ticket for 3 over is likely a lot cheaper than 8 over in a school zone.

Paying a lawyer may or may not be worth it, but I'd probably just go make these arguments to the judge myself.

[supermoneyz1]

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[AHiltz]

What the hell does a school zone need flashing lights for??????
Do stop signs have flashing lights? Do speed signs have flashing lights? Your arguement abpout flashing lights is wrong. If you can't see a fucking sign without it having a flashing light attached to it, don't drive a car.

If school was in THERE WERE CHILDREN. Otherwise school wouldn't be in now would it? Is that really so hard to grasp?

School could have been on let's take a fucking week off break. But they weren't. Another useless arguement.

The case is not worth presenting cause you are using arguments that have no merit. If I were the judge and you openly state that you were in fact breaking the posted limit with or without children there, I'd laugh at you and fine your ass even harder.

If you're so concinced, do it up. Stop wasting time here and argue it in court. Please post results though.

[supermoneyz1]

fair enough Ahiltz.

[supermoneyz1]

What the hell does a school zone need flashing lights for??????

I never said it did, but it helps to have them so you know when you have to slow down. There is different criteria for school zones without flashing light. Some school zones have
1. specific times
2. only apply when children are present

AT TIME I WAS SPEEDING NO CHILDREN WERE PRESENT.

Do stop signs have flashing lights? Do speed signs have flashing lights? Your arguement abpout flashing lights is wrong. If you can't see a fucking sign without it having a flashing light attached to it, don't drive a car.

Way to come off as an asshole for no reason. You cant make comparisons like this. A school zone with flashing lights is important since there is no excuse not to slow down. Yet, when there are no children present

The case is not worth presenting cause you are using arguments that have no merit. If I were the judge and you openly state that you were in fact breaking the posted limit with or without children there, I'd laugh at you and fine your ass even harder.

I can reduce the penalty, that I only sped 3 miles per hour the posted limit instead of 8mph over in a school zone.

If you're so concinced, do it up. Stop wasting time here and argue it in court. Please post results though.

I was just posting for advice, on taking my case to court. Instead you write a post trying to be as rude as possible. Nice job!

If school was in THERE WERE CHILDREN. Otherwise school wouldn't be in now would it? Is that really so hard to grasp? School could have been on let's take a fucking week off break. But they weren't. Another useless arguement.

THERE WERE NO CHILDREN out when I was driving since the nearby school gets out at 3, my ticket was at 2:55. If I saw any children I would have slowed down defenitely. (Third time saying that)

If you're so concinced, do it up. Stop wasting time here and argue it in court. Please post results though.

Fine, I deleted all my post and am sorry I even brought up the damn issue. Way to act like a complete jackass for no reason. In all of my post I go out of way to try and not directly offend someone. I might say a concept/play of theirs is stupid but you're just being flat out rude for no reason.

[bigred]

At least we're not trying to run over school children...ZING

[supermoneyz1]

next time I see Hillz Kids playing in the street im stepping on the fucking gas!

[bluey]

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[Galapogos]

Do stop signs have flashing lights? Do speed signs have flashing lights? Your arguement abpout flashing lights is wrong. If you can't see a fucking sign without it having a flashing light attached to it, don't drive a car.

Way to come off as an asshole for no reason. You cant make comparisons like this. A school zone with flashing lights is important since there is no excuse not to slow down. Yet, when there are no children present

Ok I'm having trouble following you here. Are you saying a school zone with flashing lights means you always have to slow down and one without them means specific times? It shouldn't matter. If it's a conditional school sign it will say the conditions on the sign. If there are no conditions on it you have to obey it all the time. Maybe if you weren't driving so fast you would have had a chance to see this .

You're best argument is to argue photo radar itself. I don't know how established it is where you're from but up here in BC when they tried to implement it there were so many legal loopholes in the end, if I recall correctly, those tickets were immediatley thrown out as soon as you protested them in the end. But truth be told, if you can't notice that goofy photo van setup while driving you really shouldn't be speeding through the school zone, a little kid running around will be even harder to spot. I know you say no kids were present but how many times has someone thought that when they tagged one?

[supermoneyz1]

Some school zones only apply at certain times like from 9-4.
While other school zones apply only if children are present.

The school zones with the flashing lights tell you exactly when to slow the fuck down. The lesson of this thread is that not all school zones are the same. Anyway, 28 mph is not being out of control. Also, the cop photo car is not easy to spot, it often sits in sneaky places. I could be looking right at it, and not know that it was a cop car. ITS A CAR NOT A VAN. Anyways I am getting sick of arguing crap in my own thread so...

Story time-

I came home today and was about to walk into the inside of my house when I heard this moaning sound coming from my car. I turned around and a child must have been dragged under my tire. His clothes are ripped and bloods everywhere. I realized how badly I fucked up and was freaking out. How the hell did I not notice this? It must of been from when I was doing 60 mph in that fucking school zone by my house. while on the cell phone drikning a beer. The boy is still under my tire, I've yet to reach a decision.. I will keep you guys updated.

[Greedo017]

I will give more advice. google for tips on beating these tickets. from some things i'm reading, you don't have to pay OR show up in court. Because you never signed a summons and it was just sent to you via regular mail, they have no proof you know of your ticket, and have to bring you a summons in person after you miss your court date, and its just another opportunity for them to be lazy and you get off. I would read up on that though cause it might be state specific and you don't want any surprise warrants on ya.

I read up a lot on beating speeding tickets a couple years ago when I got one, and basically concluded i was screwed, but there is a lot out there on beating photo-tickets, and I think the success rate is a lot higher.

here's a couple web pages i found, i didn't really spend much time reading them but there is a lot out there.

http://phoenix.about.com/od/car/a/photoradar.htm
http://www.buyradardetectors.com/Art...era-Radar.aspx

[Galapogos]

Ok, I put this post with lights around it so I know you will read and understand it. Don't get upset bud, all I'm saying is you don't have a case. You had to pass a test to get your license. These signs don't have to be retard proof with flashing lights and bells and whistles. You read the book (or were supposed to) and now have to play by the rules. If the sign doesn't say otherwise, then the rule is from 9-4. Simple as that.

Good luck with your ticket though, I believe the photo radar case is your best shot.

[Pelion]

the cop photo car is not easy to spot, it often sits in sneaky places. I could be looking right at it, and not know that it was a cop car. ITS A CAR NOT A VAN.

maybe people are being rude because you are trying to worm out of something that you did wrong??
It isnt about avoiding the ticket its about avoiding running a kid over. Maybe if you didnt notice the car, you wouldnt notice the kid either?

I just dont understand why its worth it to speed in built up areas. Sure, you save a couple of minutes a day but there is a risk attached. You got caught. Thats just about the smallest thing that could have happened. Just own up to it and hope he only gives you a little fine.

[Greedo017]

I hate most people's opinions about speeding tickets. Take responsibility for your actions! that's a bunch of bullshit. Yea, i've gotten two tickets. My # of speed related accidents? 0. My number of close calls? 0. But yet, I still drive slower now to avoid tickets. Do I drive slower to avoid accidents and hitting people or to be at some safe speed? No, I was never in any moral dilemma here. I drive slower because cops will fine me.

That said, I also think he clearly has reason to feel wronged here. Would you not feel shitty about getting a ticket for 28 in a 25? I would be pissed, as that is hardly ticket-worthy. If the school zone is not clearly marked, which only he knows, I would complain. If, for example, there was a school zone sign that said 3-5, he can legitimately get his ticket reduced, don't act like he has no case.

I also happen to believe that getting a speeding ticket should serve a purpose, it should change your behavior. Clearly, he isn't going to change any behavior, because if he knew he was in a school zone, he would have slowed down anyway. Might not matter in court but kinda makes the air of superiority everyone likes to have seem a bit asinine.

[a500lbgorilla]

Don't they give you a 5mph grace thingy when you're driving?

[Galapogos]

School zones generally have no tolerance. And as for driving as fast as you think you can?? You have either got to be kidding or very young. I'm sure most people in speed related accidents weren't thinking "Oh man this is soooooo bad! I can't handle this speed!!!" They all think they can handle it.

And it's not about how good of a driver you are. So you can do 100 mph down the city streets without smucking anyone? Good on you. But these limits are required because 95% of the population are horrible drivers out there. There's no way they can say everyone can drive at what speed they feel comfortable driving. Nor is there any way a cop could possibly know how good a driver you are and throw the ticket away when he sees it's you. The taking responsibility part comes in where these are the rules which must be set to make the roads safe. If you want to drive on these roads you have to follow them. That's something anyone can work with.

Now I'm not some church driver myself, I generally go 20 over except in school and downtown areas. But if I get a ticket, I'll own to it.

And to say a school zone isn't properly marked? THEY ALL ARE. At least from what I've seen. Just because the sign doesn't have flashing lights on it doesn't mean it's not clearly marked. Like someone mentioned earlier, stop signs are the most important signs on the road and they don't have lights.

[Pelion]

That said, I also think he clearly has reason to feel wronged here. Would you not feel shitty about getting a ticket for 28 in a 25? I would be pissed, as that is hardly ticket-worthy.

I agree he got treated harshly but hes not going to get out of it and he shouldnt be trying. Maybe if his attitude was "it was just comming out of a corner downhill and I was only 3mph over for like a second damn i was treated harshly", then id probably be more sympathetic. Instead he said "it was ok because there werent any kids about".
Do you actually think people who run kids over see them and deliberatly steer into them?? The times when you think there are no kids about are the times when you hit them. If you see them you just go around...
Kids are stupid. They play in the road, and they run out without giving you the chance to see them. Thats why the school zone's there.
I dont think hes a bad person for speeding. I just think he should pay the fine and get on with it.

[AHiltz]

next time I see Hillz Kids playing in the street im stepping on the fucking gas!

That right there shows and proves your level of maturity.

[Greedo017]

i think everyone should reread this

"I also happen to believe that getting a speeding ticket should serve a purpose, it should change your behavior. Clearly, he isn't going to change any behavior, because if he knew he was in a school zone, he would have slowed down anyway. Might not matter in court but kinda makes the air of superiority everyone likes to have seem a bit asinine."

[gabe]

Don't they give you a 5mph grace thingy when you're driving?

thats up to the cop.

when i first got my license i would ask cops stuff like this all the time. most of them said they had it set so it would show up if you are going more than 9 or 10 over, and would write the ticket if you were doing 10/11 over.

[SuperDave9x19]

I have kids. Drive the speed limit OR EVEN LESS near schools at whatever time it is... 9-4 does not apply. reasons...

1. After School activity
2. Schools are often the only local public playground and an excessive number of kids are in that area.
3. Kids are great at being invisible one second then accellerating onto a road the next.
4. Community activities often use school facilities and therefore kids may be around a school en masse AT NIGHT.
5. So you don't kill or injure a kid.

[euphoricism]

I think everyone should note that is retarded.

First off, you're confusing deterrance with punishment. They are not one in the same, but often overlap. If you believe a ticket should deter you from commiting a ticketable action again -- good, youre smart. But thats not really the point of the ticket, its a side effect. The ticket is punitive.

Same for people who think prison is supposed to reform priosners. Its not - but a side effect of spending time in prison is a certain degree of detterance from future crime.

Second, getting a speeding ticket does serve a purpose. It does change your behavior. He's less likely to speed, and more likely to read signs carefully.

Further he's less likely to hit my fucking kids.

Clearly, he isn't going to change any behavior, because if he knew he was in a school zone he would have slowed down anyway.

He did know he was in a school zone. His justification was "There were no kids out yet!" all the while conceding the point (repeatedly) that school would be out in about 5 minutes.

Take responsibility for your actions! that's a bunch of bullshit.

I respect you now.

Yea, i've gotten two tickets. My # of speed related accidents? 0. My number of close calls? 0. But yet, I still drive slower now to avoid tickets.

Good. The tertiary effects of crime prevention are working on you.

Do I drive slower to avoid accidents and hitting people or to be at some safe speed?

Nope, still fucking retarded.

No, I was never in any moral dilemma here. I drive slower because cops will fine me.

Would you rob a store if you were gaurenteed no one would find out? Or is arrest your primary deterrant? Youre scared of getting a ticket, so you don't commit a crime. Youre scared of being arrested, so you don't commit a crime.

Nowhere do you have any inclination toward "Commiting a crime is wrong".

[euphoricism]

Don't they give you a 5mph grace thingy when you're driving?

thats up to the cop.

when i first got my license i would ask cops stuff like this all the time. most of them said they had it set so it would show up if you are going more than 9 or 10 over, and would write the ticket if you were doing 10/11 over.

In Miami-Dade County the ticket I received for a "California Stop" layed out some basic "Fining rules" -- anything less than i believe 6 MPH over (so 1-5 inclusive) was an automatic written warning, no fine given. A written warning is obviously different from a "Don't do that again" verbal warning, in that it shows up in the database for the next time you get pulled over. "We gave you a warning about this last time, I have to write a ticket."

These are city/county specific.

In some areas, such as Pinecrest where I lived briefly, there was no such stipulations. You could be fined for 1 mph over (and people often were).

[chardrian]

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[DaNutsInYoEye]

That said, I also think he clearly has reason to feel wronged here. Would you not feel shitty about getting a ticket for 28 in a 25? I would be pissed, as that is hardly ticket-worthy.

He didn't get a ticket for doing 28 mph in a 25 zone. He got a ticket for doing 28 in a 20 mph zone. That's 8 mph over.

His argument was that IF it wasn't a school zone then the speed limit would've been 25 mph and he would have only been doing 3 over. His argument is poor at best. It's like doing 61 on the highway in a 40 mph work zone and arguing that you were really only doing 1 mph over because normally the speed limit is 60.

[Greedo017]

First off, you're confusing deterrance with punishment. They are not one in the same, but often overlap. If you believe a ticket should deter you from commiting a ticketable action again -- good, youre smart. But thats not really the point of the ticket, its a side effect. The ticket is punitive.

punishment is performed for the express purpose of deterring or suppressing a behavior, it is not merely a side effect or unintended consequence. If being a detterent is not inseparable from the punishment, then what is the justification for punishing in the first place? There can be other reasons for punishment but not here.

"The psychological definition for punishment is the reduction of a behavior because a stimulus has been introduced (positive punishment) or removed (negative punishment). " - wikipedia

Second, getting a speeding ticket does serve a purpose. It does change your behavior. He's less likely to speed, and more likely to read signs carefully.

Further he's less likely to hit my fucking kids.

Clearly, he isn't going to change any behavior, because if he knew he was in a school zone he would have slowed down anyway.

He did know he was in a school zone. His justification was "There were no kids out yet!" all the while conceding the point (repeatedly) that school would be out in about 5 minutes.

Maybe I misunderstood him. I thought he was saying that he did not see, notice, realize, etc. that the rules of the school zone applied at the time, rather than he knew at the time he went through but is now trying to weasel out because no children were present. There's a pretty big difference here which would change my opinion obviously.

Yea, i've gotten two tickets. My # of speed related accidents? 0. My number of close calls? 0. But yet, I still drive slower now to avoid tickets.

Good. The tertiary effects of crime prevention are working on you.

Do I drive slower to avoid accidents and hitting people or to be at some safe speed?

Nope, still fucking retarded.

No, I was never in any moral dilemma here. I drive slower because cops will fine me.

Would you rob a store if you were gaurenteed no one would find out? Or is arrest your primary deterrant? Youre scared of getting a ticket, so you don't commit a crime. Youre scared of being arrested, so you don't commit a crime.

Nowhere do you have any inclination toward "Commiting a crime is wrong".

[/quote]

It is right to obey the laws of our country because we believe in a system of morals. Without morals, laws have no basis. Arrest is not the primary reason I do not steal, I do not steal because it is morally incorrect. Same goes for murder, etc. However, speeding is not morally incorrect under the circumstances in which I do it. Sure, we need the speed limit system. However, ideally every case of speeding deserves individual attention and evaluation, as does every crime. We are not being presented here with "is the speed limit system necessary". We are being presented with "is my particular ticket just". Just as someone who clearly and obviously commits murder does not have to be convicted by a jury due to extenuating circumstances which abate the immorality of the act, if we can determine that him, or I, in my speeding have committed no moral wrong, then it is not a matter of just "taking responsibility for breaking the law." Just because as a whole the system is necessary and effective does not mean that in my particular case, my ticket is deserved.

I think an ideal criticism of the speed limit is this. If i'm going 10 over and drive by 10 cops, 9 of them might not give me a ticket, 1 might. However, going 11 over they would all pull me over. In a different state/count/speedlimit, I might be able to drive by 10 police officers going 15 over and never get a ticket, or I might get a ticket from all ten going 5 over. Wow, what a robust and fair system we have created, albiet necessary.

[supermoneyz1]

That right there shows and proves your level of maturity.

You're just mad because you're kids guts are on my tire.

[supermoneyz1]

AFter the replies to my thread, and thinking about it I will admit my argument was rather poor. Maybe a very nice judge might feel sorry for me and dismiss ticket yet it would be -EV for me to waste my time. Yet, theres a better plan then " not being a weasel and just pay the ticket."

After reading and doing some research

I can either

A. Not pay the ticket and throw it away and never speak of it again. Since I have not signed anything there is very little follow up with such misdemeanor's. The state depends on law abiding citizens to just pay it and be done with it (sounds like the majority of you guys). If a cop does show up at my door I will just play the "what are you talking about, I've never recieved any mail regarding this" role.

2. I can go to court, and prove that there is a reason I was speeding that can not be seen in picture. There are plenty of already thought excuses, on the web.

Right now I plan on going with option A. Dont get me wrong, the whole point of this thread was not to pay the damn fine. My excuses were lame but I was just looking for a way to avoid spending 100 bucks. There is defenitely some great material out there on beating speeding tickets, as well as some great equipment to prevent tickets. Next time you get a photo ticket, there are plenty of loopholes. Supposedly photo tickets are the easiest tickets to deal with.

CASE SOLVED!

Btw, thanks greed for all the links you defenitely got me started in the right direction

[boost]

I do slow down for school zones (unless its like 2 am..) and I slow down for construction zones, becuase those guys have tough jobs as it is, soI dont mind slowing down a lil so that its a lot safer for them.

However I remember when I used to deliver pizza, and it would be like 5-8 or something, and parents would have thier kids out in the front lawn playing and stuff. And My job is to deliver pizza, if I drove the speed limit everywhere I would not get tips and probably would lose my job. These fuckers would feel the need to judge me and start yelling all sorts of obscene things.. "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN ASSHOLE"... like wow thats a good way to act infront of your children. If I see kids uot and about Ill slow down and be cautious, but its also up to the parents to watch thier ufcking kids. You know? I cant always drive aroudn as if a kid is gonna pop out from behind the next parked car, Id be going 5 mph. And if you dont want a lot of traffic going down your street, fucking move to a farm.

Btw I have a 2 1/2 y/o nephew who I often play with in my front yard. And guess waht, we teach him NEVER to go in the street unless its with an adult, and we keep a fucking eye on him. We dont yell at people going a bit fast down the street. I mean.. really do you thin kthats going to do shit?

[supermoneyz1]

word boost.
"I have 2 kids I dont want some speeding car running them over"

my answer-

Scrape there guts off my tires and shut up.

[Pelion]

These fuckers would feel the need to judge me and start yelling all sorts of obscene things.. "SLOW THE FUCK DOWN ASSHOLE"... like wow thats a good way to act infront of your children.

Thats no way to behave in front of children...or otherwise. Its also largly irrelevant. Just because your neighbours are assholes doesnt mean its ok to speed and just because your boss is unreasonable doesnt make it ok either.

Btw I have a 2 1/2 y/o nephew who I often play with in my front yard. And guess what, we teach him NEVER to go in the street unless its with an adult

Yea? Well that doesnt mean he wont ever do it. Very occasionally kids do something that theyve been told not to do.

[boost]

yes thats fucking fine, but what do you suggest? Everyone drive 15 mph? You can shelter the fuck outta your kid, only let him play inside and in the back yard that is fenced in, and only in the back yard when you watch. You can try and push responsibility on every fucking one else in the world, and yell at people becaues you dont like the enviorment that is created. Or you can chill the fuck out and reasonably protect your kid.

Im not driving 15mph, unless theres a good reason. And a good reason is not something that happens with the same frequency of any random person winnning the lottery.

Like I said, Ill definatley slow down if I see children around. However if I am speeding and your kids are out, of course theres no way you could have known that I would have slowed down had I seen them, but that doesnt make being a spaz ok. What does all that screaming get you? I lauhg at you, or if Im in a bad mood I stop my car and tell you to go fuck yourself. But either way it solves nothing on your end. You just end up looking like a retard.

[Pelion]

I think you need to stop making up what you think ive said and reread my post.

I didnt say anyhting about kids being kept inside, or sheltering the fuck out of them, or everyone driving at 15mph, or only letting them play inside a fenced backyard, or trying to push responsibility onto other people (infact I think thats the problem with this entire situation). I specifically said the screaming was uncalled for and I never said I did it myself, but somehow out of all of this stuff youve made up about me saying youve decided to come to the conclusion that i look like a retard and should go fuck myself...

if Im in a bad mood I

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just end up looking like a retard.

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[salsa4ever]

Speeding tickets are probably my favorite gripe

I'm an exceedingly safe driver (I dance and teach piano for a living, so naturally I'm worried about fucking up any of my limbs). I've had one speeding ticket only and that was for going 10km over the speed limit on a national highway with like no cars on it.

But that's not my point.

The question is what's the difference between not speeding because I'm deterred by the chance of getting a ticket and not robbing a shop because I'm deterred by the chance I'll get arrested. Well: I wouldn't rob even if I knew I'd get away with it, and I'd exceed the speed limit where it would be safe to do so if I knew I'd get away with it. Because robbing is wrong, and driving safely, albeit over the speed limit is not.

So why do I live in a country that has school speeding zones and cameras? Well one alternative would be China (my homeland where nobody cares), and another would be Bangkok (where I couldn't physically do more than 30km without running into another car). But I choose to live in Australia.

Speeding fines are part of what I call the social contract. What is right and wrong is subjective. I think the prescribed speeds around school zones are WAY too slow, and the chances of hitting kids are only slighly reduced by the draconianly slow speeds. But society doesn't care what I think. Society has deferred the judgment of what is acceptable to it and what is not to the legislature. The fact is that I'm 20 with no kids, and there is a majority of people who do have kids and are willing to put up with driving irrationally slowly because they have an irrationally distorted fear that their kids will be hurt (i.e. they don't care what the cost if it will save one child in ten years whereas we all know that whether we like it or not life has a price*). But on the flip side, people are fined in Australia for smoking indoors. That is great for me because I hate smoke... does the fact that a smoker sees himself as doing negligible harm (just like I do when I speed only slightly) matter to me? NO.

So the fact is you went over the limit and you were caught, so you pay up. It doesn't matter whether punishing you serves any deterrent purpose or whether you were doing anything wrong. Just note that it's the people (some of whom have posted on this board) who hold the "OMG! CHILDREN! ANYTHING FOR CHILDREN!" attitude** and the fact that they are more passionate about their children than I am about my right to go 10 kms faster because it's still safe (understandably) which has led to what you think (and I think) is a stupid regulation and has cost you money. If you want to try to escape it on some technicality because you don't wanna pay, fine (no pun intended). But you can't

*citations and elaboration if requested
**lets face it, lots of laws and regulations and actions taken by society are fuelled upon a general lack of objectivity by people when it comes to children (child care sex scandal, anyone?)

[salsa4ever]

Speeding tickets are probably my favorite gripe

I'm an exceedingly safe driver (I dance and teach piano for a living, so naturally I'm worried about fucking up any of my limbs). I've had one speeding ticket only and that was for going 10km over the speed limit on a national highway with like no cars on it.

But that's not my point.

The question is what's the difference between not speeding because I'm deterred by the chance of getting a ticket and not robbing a shop because I'm deterred by the chance I'll get arrested. Well: I wouldn't rob even if I knew I'd get away with it, and I'd exceed the speed limit where it would be safe to do so if I knew I'd get away with it. Because robbing is wrong, and driving safely, albeit over the speed limit is not.

So why do I live in a country that has school speeding zones and cameras? Well one alternative would be China (my homeland where nobody cares), and another would be Bangkok (where I couldn't physically do more than 30km without running into another car). But I choose to live in Australia.

Speeding fines are part of what I call the social contract. What is right and wrong is subjective. I think the prescribed speeds around school zones are WAY too slow, and the chances of hitting kids are only slighly reduced by the draconianly slow speeds. But society doesn't care what I think. Society has deferred the judgment of what is acceptable to it and what is not to the legislature. The fact is that I'm 20 with no kids, and there is a majority of people who do have kids and are willing to put up with driving irrationally slowly because they have an irrationally distorted fear that their kids will be hurt (i.e. they don't care what the cost if it will save one child in ten years whereas we all know that whether we like it or not life has a price*). But on the flip side, people are fined in Australia for smoking indoors. That is great for me because I hate smoke... does the fact that a smoker sees himself as doing negligible harm (just like I do when I speed only slightly) matter to me? NO.

So the fact is you went over the limit and you were caught, so you pay up. It doesn't matter whether punishing you serves any deterrent purpose or whether you were doing anything wrong. Just note that it's the people (some of whom have posted on this board) who hold the "OMG! CHILDREN! ANYTHING FOR CHILDREN!" attitude** and the fact that they are more passionate about their children than I am about my right to go 10 kms faster because it's still safe (understandably) which has led to what you think (and I think) is a stupid regulation and has cost you money. If you want to try to escape it on some technicality because you don't wanna pay, fine (no pun intended). But to form an argument that you somehow shouldn't have to pay is untenable.

*citations and elaboration if requested
**lets face it, lots of laws and regulations and actions taken by society are fuelled upon a general lack of objectivity by people when it comes to children (child care sex scandal, anyone?)

[euphoricism]

[biondino]

I can go to court, and prove that there is a reason I was speeding

Good luck with that.

I think you should pay the money. You chose to break the law, you got caught, sucks but live with it.

[PO$$E$$ED]

how the fuck did this thread get so long

[chardrian]

how the fuck did this thread get so long

It all started when supermoney got a speeding ticket for barely speeding in a school zone and asked his every friendly FTR compadres for help in fighting the power.

Instead, because the ticket was in a school zone, children were thrown into the mix, panties got bunched, and many of our brethren equated supermoney to the Hitler/Mengele/Dahmer of our times and supermoney's name is now equated as a dubious lawbreaker and psychopathic child-endangerer.

Now it is just fun to read.

[supermoneyz1]

I think you should pay the money. You chose to break the law, you got caught, sucks but live with it

Thanks for you're opinion. Yet, I am not going to pay the ticket I have done alota research regarding these types of tickets and found some excuses to make my case.

EVen though my original case holds no say in a court of law. It does to me, therefore since I feel like I have done little to nothing wrong, I will just not pay the ticket which happens to be a proven method for beating these types of tickets!

[Galapogos]

EVen though my original case holds no say in a court of law. It does to me, therefore since I feel like I have done little to nothing wrong, I will just not pay the ticket which happens to be a proven method for beating these types of tickets!

Hmmm, someone might have thought of this tactic before...

Anyway, I don't know how different the US laws are, but we get points against us up here everytime we receive a moving violation (like speeding). On photo radar you don't get these against you as there is no proof it's you driving. However, if you are late paying your ticket then you do receive the points against you they originally held back.

Seriously dude, just save yourself the hassle and pay the ticket. You can afford it. If you don't pay it you get collections agencies chasing you down and interest and all that fun stuff.

One tactic a friend of mine tried once is the cop had to serve you the ticket and not mail it. So every time he came to the house his parents just answered and said he wasn't home. I can't remember how that worked out though...