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    Default Starfleet Selections: NFL Week 16

    One bet jumps out at me for now (which may mean fade me, since my super early leans tend to bite the big ones).

    But...I took the bait because I don't know where this line will go after MNF.

    IND -9 (-104)
    5 units at Pinnacle


    WTF is with this line? It should be at like IND -13.5 or -14.5, at minimum. The only weakness of the Colts is their run D, which the Texans can't exploit whatsoever, with our weakass running game and our refusal to give up on 'the Carr Project'.

    The only thing I can think of is that the books think the public will be disappointed with teh Colts after a lackluster year of covering, and having lost 3 straight going into MNF.

    But, I don't see this line going anywhere but up unless the books pull something funny on us (and if they do and the Texans actually WIN, I'll be so ecstatic, I won't even care that I lost. ). Should Indy lose to CIN, their desperation to beat us should be even higher and so the line shoudl go up. Should they win against CIN, their drive to try to get a first round bye should be enough to make this line go higher. I don't understand...but maybe that's what makes HOU +9 a great play?

    At any rate, I'm getting this down now. And I WILL be at this game on Christmas Eve. Woot. Go Texans? or Go Colts? I'm conflicted...
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    I like this too. Just laid two units on it at +100. Sorry about the crappy KC call tonight, not my day
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    I haven't seen any games so I don't know how he looks on the field, but I saw this about carr and it made me think of you

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    9. ... Anyway, STATS Inc. keeps track of "poor throws" (passes that are completely uncatchable). Favre is No. 1 on the list with 88. No. 3 on the list? Marc Bulger with 79.

    9a. By the way, I would have voted for Drew Brees for "most accurate," and the evidence backs it up: Only 44 poor throws out of a league-leading 479 pass attempts for a 9.9 percentage of bad throws, second in the league for starters behind David Carr.
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    STL -2 vs Skins????
    Someone has got to jump on this, the skins are a wayyyy better team that the Rams.
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    Uh...no they're not.
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    Yo lee! What's going on with the Indy/Houston line? Or rather, what's not going on with it? I'm surprised it hasn't budged since Indy put the beat-down on Cincy last night. Did we make a square play?
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    I dunno. If we did, well uh...go Texans? Give it some time. If it hasn't budged by Saturday or has even gone in the wrong direction, then we should think about buying it back.

    I thought it was wierd too...
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    I thought I'd posted it, but apparently not.

    KC -5.5 (-110)
    3 units at Skybook


    KC has the motivation; Oak doesn't. KC has the talent; OAK doesn't. I really don't see Oakland keeping this close.
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    I like this a lot. I haven't played it because the line kept going up and I was kicking myself for not getting in early at -3.5 or even -5. But that's ridiculous reasoning, so I just put 2 units down at -6.5. Let's go Chiefs!
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    Um....you see where the Texans line is at? Yea, sportsbook shows it moving down. Guess you know which way I am going. Also, tonight...it's DA RAIDAS
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    I don't get it bigspenda... Texans line is holding steady at 9, or going up at a few sportsbooks, 9.5 at BetCRIS/Bodog/5Dimes. Might not be moving enough considering how much of the public is on Indy, but I don't see any reverse line movement. Also, there definitely isn't any in the Chiefs/Raiders game. It opened at -3.5 and moved up to -7 on public AND sharp money. I'd stay away from the Raidas at all costs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Um....you see where the Texans line is at? Yea, sportsbook shows it moving down. Guess you know which way I am going. Also, tonight...it's DA RAIDAS
    Down? Down to where? All I see is it going from -9 to -9.5. It'll probably be 10 at some books by gametime. Which books is it moving down at?

    Not to mention that even if the books were making this go with reverse line movement (and I don't see that), the books/sharps are 0 for 4 when taking a positions for or against the Houston Texans. Must be that they don't pay that much attention to us...or that they don't think we suck as much as we do.

    They took a position on Houston as a favorite against Buffalo - lost
    position on Houston as a favorite against Tennessee - lost
    position against Houston as an underdog at Oakland - lost
    position for Houston against Washington as an underdog - lost

    and...a slight position for houston at Tennesee - lost. But I'm not counting that one, because it was only a slight lean.

    I'm gonna hold on to this. Plus, I have the added benefit that a Houston win over the Colts will have me super elated to the point that it almost might not matter. (Texans are 0-9 franchise lifetime vs. the Colts)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Um....you see where the Texans line is at? Yea, sportsbook shows it moving down. Guess you know which way I am going. Also, tonight...it's DA RAIDAS
    Also, with da raidas, the line moved 6 points in the correct direction. I can understand you taking a contrarian view, though. Staying with my KC bet...for now. Will be looking at a KC second half bet if the stars align. Oakland is horrible beyond belief in teh second half. I think they have less than 50 points scored int eh second half this entire year, having been shut out on at least 2 occasions.
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    6 pts? It has moved that much?? I think it has moved .5pt.
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    3.5 points. It opened at -3.5, sits at -7 almost everywhere.
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    opened at KC -1 at Pinnacle. Is now KC -7
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    opened at KC -1 at Pinnacle. Is now KC -7. That's where I got the 6 points

    Although zook's right. For a more 'mainstream' opening line (thegreek's, to be exact), it's a 3.5 point line move.
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    Wuh? Sportsbook has it opening at 6.5 as does every casino in Vegas. Well hell, looks like I won't be betting it
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    How'd you think I got it at -5.5 if the line opened at 6.5? I don't get a free FULL point at skybook.

    But yeah. If you still want to bet da raidas, they still qualify as contrarian, sinec 75% or so of the public is on KC. Do what you think is best.

    I'm hoping that KC second half is going to be money tonight.
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    B/c Im an idiot. I think I am laying off this game although I would not be the least bit surprised if OAK wins this one outright. This is quite the rivalry at home. OAK has a solid defense and KC does not. I think this game will be closer than anticipated.

    I will be rooting for KC for you guys though
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    Fezzik just posted Oak +7 as a 2-weight...
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    Ok. I cry uncle. I'm getting off.

    Countering my KC -5.5 (-110) bet with an OAK +5.5 (+120) bet. I've structured them so that only one of the following two things happens:

    KC covers -5.5: I win .25 units
    OAK covers +5.5: nothing. I am even.

    I'll take that...my bet on this game will be the second half one, if I have one at all. I just couldn't convince myself that this was strong enough to make a 3 unit play.
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    You find any halftime plays?
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    Looked at 'em. The line didn't look right to me at -3. So I passed. Can't blieve the Oakland team total was 7 for the second half; re-freaking diculous. I though ti would be 7.5 at least and was going to take THAT.
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    Yep, really should have been a closer game IMO but turnovers are what make bad teams horrible.
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    For tomorrow, I have a lot of action on the Indy/Houston game.

    IND 1st Half Team Total OVER 14.5 (+100)
    3 units at Pinnacle


    IND Team Total OVER 28 (-114)
    3 units at Pinnacle


    Have you SEEN the status of the Texans secondary? We have Dunta Robinson, who's a stud, but who's been regressing ever since Aaron Glenn left. He's STILL a stud, and I will be wearing HIS jersey tomorrow, but all you have to do if you're Peyton Manning is not throw at Dunta and you'll be ok. We have a fifth round corner in DeMarcus Faggins who should not be starting, but is because of the lack of quality depth at corner at RCB. Behind him, we have...Lewis Sanders, I think? And Dexter Wynn? I remember at a certian point, we were signing street free agents to fill the secondary. Also, our safeties are CC Brown (known better for his big hit ability rather than his coverage ability: 6th or 7th round pick from last year) and Glenn Earl (fourth round SS. Was once projected to go 1st, but then blew out his knee), whose forté isn't pass coverage either. You saw what Peyton did to the Bengals? If he can do HALF that, this secondary stands no chance.

    THe front seven is still average at best, with Mario still struggling with a severely injured foot (but will still play) and us starting street free agents at DT (WTF? I thought this was supposed to be a team strength at D-line going into the season). Peek has shown he can get to the passer at times, but Babin certainly hasn't...and Babin's starting.

    Granted, Richard Smith could pull something cool out of his ass and somehow stop Peyton (and that would go a LONG way towards winning this game. Yay go texans!!!), but I don't think it's possible with his personnel. He has two good healthy players on this defense (Dunta and DeMeco), an injured star (Mario) and a few average defenders (Morlon Greenwood, Antwaan Peek, Jason Babin) anchoring this D. I don't see how it can stop Peyton and Co. Hell, Addai should be able to score on us at will too.

    And if David Carr insists on continuuing to hand over the ball to the other team, well...not much the defense is going to be able to do now, is there?

    Colts will score.

    IND -6.5 (-101)
    2 units at Pinnacle


    This is an extension of my original IND -9 bet for the game. I can see Indy being up by a TD or more more than half the time. Peyton's not one to let up on his opponents, preferring instead to wail on them unmercilessly (which is why the full game bet is a good bet too, but I've already maxed out that one )

    As for the rest of the NFL, here we go:

    JAC -3 (-103)
    2 units at Pinnacle

    New England has lost some key personnel and Jacksonville is just a completely different team on the road than at home; at home, they are nearly invinceable (when not playing the Texans. ) If you look back, they have been monsters at home, destroying every team that dares to venture into Qualcomm Stadium. And this year (for once), the fans are actually helping their team by creating a good atmosphere. You can tell the difference just by watching the games.

    CLE -3 (-113)
    2 units at Pinnacle

    TB lost a heartbreaking game last week where they laid it all on the line vs. Chicago, going into overtime. I don't see how they can match that intensity vs. anybody now, honestly, especially with their season in shambles. Plus, with all the injuries they've suffered, they are at a real talent disadvantage over nearly every team in the NFL right now.

    Plus, if you're a believer in trends, teams playing a game after playing Chicago don't do very well in their next games, notching something like a 33% ATS record or so (I think; someone check me on that?).

    CAR Moneyline (+275)
    1 unit at Boodg

    This is more of a 'me' bet than any of the rest. If there's one thing Carolina knows how to do, it's stop Michael Vick. That defense was geared towards stopping that boy; check the past years' stats. Vick was almost always contained by Carolina's style of defense. Now, the question mark is Carolina's offense. Can they get it going? Granted, Atlanta's defense has been less than advertised, but they're still a fairly good defense (in my eyes, at least).

    Still, I think Carolina wins this at least half the time. +275 is +EV to me.

    STL -.5 (-110)
    1 unit at Skybook

    I was eyeing this when it came out, and then a handicapper that I respect also posted it as one of his top plays. The fact that the number has gone towards 0 in what seems like a 50/50 split of action worries me a bit, but not enough to completely deter me, just to lower the amount of units I'll put on it.

    ~~~
    Allrighty. I'm headed off to the game (Go Texans? Go Colts? ) tomorrow so that's why I have all this done now. Allright; Let's goooo!!!!
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    Have fun at the game lee! And root for the Texans... risking some seriously bad karma if you don't
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    Woot! THE TEXANS WON!!!!!!!



    So what if I lost like a bazillion units. THis is the best Christmas gift EVARRRRR! Thank you Bob McNair!
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    Aww...SONOFABITCH...

    Apparently, I didn't get my Carolina moneyline bet in at Bodog like I thought. DAMMIT...

    I think I'm down like -17 units today...

    Oh well. TEXANS WON!!!
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    PHI +7 (-108.2)
    2 units at Matchbook


    PHI Moneyline (+258.72)
    1 unit at Matchbook


    Thing that scared me initially about this was that a lot of people seemed to be on Philly. Not so anymore; looks like fairly even action. Pinnacle recently made PHI (-110), which stuck out to me a little bit and made this a 2 unit bet (the PHI +7).

    That, and I hate the Crygirls. Go go go Eagles!
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    I have no idea what's going to happen in this one... the Eagles have mystified me since McNabb went down. Their run defense still sucks and they've been getting lucky to win games. This would be a Dallas play for me, but I can't figure out the Eagles and they're definitely motivated for this one.

    So no money on this game, but GO EAGLES!
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    MIA -2.5 (-105)
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    Pinnacle is offering NYJ +2.5 (+104), which means that if you take that, you'd be offering Pinnacle MIA -2.5 (-104).

    I can get MIA -2.5 (-105) at Bodog. So I'm basically taking what Pinnacle would be ok taking. That's good enough for me.
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    Fly, Eagles, flyyyyy!!! Wooooooo!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry
    Fly, Eagles, flyyyyy!!! Wooooooo!!
    Hell yeah!
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    WOOOO!

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