Tipping Etiquette

[Scarface]

Hi

I am emigrating to San Francisco from New Zealand in 8 days and I was curious as to what you are supposed to tip for? Also, how much do you need to tip.

Sam

[Lukie]

20% in restaurants.

50% if you're gabe.

[BobbySalami]

The only shit I tip for is if the person gets pissed off in some way. i.e I tip baggage handlers, Hotel people, etc..

If they get pissed that I dont tip after I am out of there I dont tip, i.e. waiters/waitresses, cab drivers, etc....

Its not my fault they work a shitty job that is dependant on tips. Tipping is -EV

[boost]

The only shit I tip for is if the person gets pissed off in some way. i.e I tip baggage handlers, Hotel people, etc..

If they get pissed that I dont tip after I am out of there I dont tip, i.e. waiters/waitresses, cab drivers, etc....

Its not my fault they work a shitty job that is dependant on tips. Tipping is -EV

youre a fag, and are certainly going to hell, I hope your soul likes the heat.

[Lukie]

9:1
kidding:serious ?

[thenonsequitur]

17-22% for waiters/waitresses
8-12% for food delivery people
$1 to $2 for drinks at a bar ($3 if you're drunk, $4 if the bartender is hot)
12%-18% for cabbies
1 chip if you win a pot at a casino (2 chips if you're drunk, 3 chips if the dealer is hot)

[Lukie]

what he said ^^^

[boost]

more for delivery drivers. For some reason most people are under the impression that places that have delivery drivers provide them with the vehicle and/or gas. This is rarely true. I delivered pizzas in highschool. To get a good tip yo uwant to get the pizza there quick and hot. You cant make full stops at stop signs, you cant go the speed limit, I never got a ticket while delivering but you easily can. Youre also putting wear and tear on your car, this is hard to quantify. Gas prices are even higher now.

Tips for delivery should be close to what you tip a waiter.

[theDEEPdish]

8-12% for food delivery people

I'm probably really biased since i deliver pizzas but food delivery should be different with like the minimum tip at 3$ and then 10-15% if your orders big, its different for a waiter because the amount that the meal costs corolates to the amount of work the waiter did, but the driver has to drive 5-15 minutes even if you only ordered 7$ of food

[boost]

yah, thats true too. good point deepdish

[theDEEPdish]

and I think that a delivery person is the worst to give a bad tip because they know where you live, and getting stiffed really pisses them off(doesn't piss me off much anymore since i know its just variance)

[boost]

yah and if you order from that place a lot, its probably a terrible idea. I wouldnt spit in someones food, thats gross, but if you ever had fear of a waiter doing it, a delivery guy is hte real one to worry about. They have the food all to themselves in the privacy of their car. They can pull over on the way and spit in it a lot easier then a waiter could.

[gabe]

20% in restaurants.

50% if you're gabe.

end of thread baby

[theDEEPdish]

yah and if you order from that place a lot, its probably a terrible idea. I wouldnt spit in someones food, thats gross, but if you ever had fear of a waiter doing it, a delivery guy is hte real one to worry about. They have the food all to themselves in the privacy of their car. They can pull over on the way and spit in it a lot easier then a waiter could.

I've taken a shit in someones food before

[boost]

no way!? gah-rowsss

[Renton]

i tip about 35-40% generally but it depends on the service obv.

[boost]

20% in restaurants.

50% if you're gabe.

end of thread baby

I didnt know text impersonations could be this good... I mean you were trying to do a "scotty nguyen" right?

[pantherhound]

Weird.

In england its like 10% for restaurants, slightly more in london, if you're a student you don't tip taxi drivers or delivery guys and they don't seem to care, if you're someone else you probably tip these guys but no more than 10%. I usually do FTR even though i'm jewish

When I lived in Italy llast winter there was absolutely NO tipping ANYWHERE, many italians seemed to be tight bastards

[biondino]

Smiffy, the minimum wage is far lower in the States so it's an accepted fact of life that tipping is higher. I've had many arguments about this - and as has been made clear above, it's not going to be me pissing into THEIR food, so you gotta just go with it

Here I tend to tip 10% and round up across the board. I bet Americans who come here and work in bars of coffee shops get a rude awakening when their tip jar gradually fills up with coppers rather than the soft wish of dollar bills like at home...

[Miffed22001]

i tip cows.

[biondino]

I dread to think what service they're providing.

[Miffed22001]

I dread to think what service they're providing.

theyre asleep

[biondino]

You sick motherfucker

[samsonite2100]

20% in restaurants.

50% if you're gabe.

end of thread baby

I didnt know text impersonations could be this good... I mean you were trying to do a "scotty nguyen" right?

That's hilarious.

Also...

The only shit I tip for is if the person gets pissed off in some way. i.e I tip baggage handlers, Hotel people, etc..

If they get pissed that I dont tip after I am out of there I dont tip, i.e. waiters/waitresses, cab drivers, etc....

Its not my fault they work a shitty job that is dependant on tips. Tipping is -EV

I can only hope you pull this shit on the wrong taxi driver/waiter, and they run you down and beat the shit out of you. Tip, goddamnit.

[flomo]

here is a tip you can give everybody(waitresses, cabbies and delivery drivers)




Don't Drink Paint

[theDEEPdish]

I tip my dealer (not card dealer)

[BobbySalami]

I can only hope you pull this shit on the wrong taxi driver/waiter, and they run you down and beat the shit out of you. Tip, goddamnit.

You just toss the taxi driver a bunch of small bills so by the time he realizes no tip, your too far away. Yes I am a very cheap bastard, but I have no reason to float off money when it is only 'proper form'. And BTW, I do tip delivery guys for all you past delivery drivers, because next time you order your getting shitty food....see what I mean, only tip when it has a negative effect on you if you didnt.

[LimpinAintEZ]

tip according to the service you get - I have left a penny at a restaurant before...the service was horrid and I wanted the waiter to know i dind't "forget" his tip - Usually i tip about 15% or so - Tip Taxi guys a buck or 2 sometimes 3 - Used to not tip them at all - Im incredibly cheap - I never even knew to tip hotel guys, but then again i'm always carrying my own stuff...For Pizza drivers (which i have done) $3 is a avg. tip, $5 is a Good tip, any more is excellent - I don't think %'s need to be considered at all - I have delivered $14 orders and got $6 as a tip, and i've delivered $90 orders and gotten $3...but getting flat out stiffed sucks the worst - I used to deliver to these 2 gay guys on welfare when I worked at Domino's - I had to carry a change bag because at dominos people are cheap and poor, and they need exact change - We had these 2 dudes living in a Pigsty, come to the door w/out shirts on and were just beyond gross (im not gay bashing, these guys were just gross) and they NEVER tipped - So one time I shorted them $1 on purpose when I had to count back like $12 in change - They CALLED the store and I had to go back and give them the Dollar - They ordered 2x a day...They were worthless fucks - STILL, I never, ever considered messing with their food - It takes a real piece of crap human being to do something like that -
sorry if that is way off topic - anytime i can tell a pizza story though, gotta do it

[LimpinAintEZ]

by the way, with the driver thing, I don't usually remember a place until i get there and have been there a few times - SO unless you order everysingle day, you will hardly get the same driver (unless you live in hobo-ville I guess)

[LimpinAintEZ]

funny pizza delivery story for the cheap bastards out there - I delivered an order to a guy one time that totalled $12.87 - He hands me $13 and with a real look of self fulfillment told me to "keep the change" like he was doing me a real favor - I was just like, you should keep it bro - you obviusly need it more than me -0

[theDEEPdish]

I haven't worked for dominoes in over a year but when i did we never had to carry coins its perty ridiculous for anyone to ask you to do that.

[samsonite2100]

Yes I am a very cheap bastard, but I have no reason to float off money when it is only 'proper form'.

It's not just "proper form." It's how servers/bartenders/delivery drivers/card dealers make a living. I guess if it doesn't bother you to effectively be fucking people out of their wage, so be it, but I personally wouldn't want to have a legion of service industry workers daily wishing death on me. If you're too cheap to tip, here's what you should do:

- eat at home
- drink at home
- walk everywhere/take the subway
- play online poker

Usually i tip about 15% or so

15% should be for mediocre service. 20% is industry standard and has been for a while. I'll tip 25-30% for really excellent service.

[theDEEPdish]

if i were playing live i think that i would only tip if i won a 20+ big blind pot, then i would tip the dealer a small blind, more if i liked the guy

[Renton]

the whole idea of tipping live dealers seems proposterous simply because of how high live rake is.

[mcatdog]

You don't tip because you're cheap? What the hell? I'm a cheapskate too in a lot of ways, but that doesn't apply to screwing people out of their income, it applies to saving money on things I don't really need. For example I live in a small apartment, I bought all used furniture, I don't have a car because I don't need one, I don't wear expensive clothes, and so on. That's what being cheap means IMO. If you don't tip, it doesn't make you cheap, it just makes you a dick.

[Renton]

Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.


IDK, I think Mr. Pink makes a pretty good point there, but I still tip anyway.

[Fimanoid]

Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make shit.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a fucking Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that.


IDK, I think Mr. Pink makes a pretty good point there, but I still tip anyway.

+1

[BobbySalami]

You don't tip because you're cheap? What the hell? I'm a cheapskate too in a lot of ways, but that doesn't apply to screwing people out of their income, it applies to saving money on things I don't really need. For example I live in a small apartment, I bought all used furniture, I don't have a car because I don't need one, I don't wear expensive clothes, and so on. That's what being cheap means IMO. If you don't tip, it doesn't make you cheap, it just makes you a dick.

I am cheap too, to the extreme. I own 2 pairs of shorts, 1 pair jeans. And like 7 shirts to get through the week. I have a desk, computer, bed, tv, couch all used.

How does not doing something that is 100% voluntary make me a dick?...they had a choice to work a job that is tip dependant or not just as I have a choice to tip or not tip them.

Working as a furniture mover for a few summers, those guys work fucking harder then just about any job out there, this is a also a provided service such as waitressing, driving, delivering, etc....yet these guys never get tipped...now how is that fair? Yet, not tipping doesn't make anyone a dick, and I never looked at people that didn't tip in that way when moving out $200,000+ homes......

[samsonite2100]

Working as a furniture mover for a few summers, those guys work fucking harder then just about any job out there, this is a also a provided service such as waitressing, driving, delivering, etc....yet these guys never get tipped...now how is that fair?

Because they get paid more than $2.13 an hour, or whatever the bullshit wage is that waiters get. They get this wage b/c it's expected that, including tips, their hourly take will exceed minimum wage. This, of course, depends on people not being douchebags and opting to not tip them because it's "voluntary."

How does not doing something that is 100% voluntary make me a dick?...they had a choice to work a job that is tip dependant or not just as I have a choice to tip or not tip them.

Yes, you're right--they should've opted to be CEOs of a Fortune 500 company. I mean, Christ, are you serious? How much of a choice do you think most taxi drivers have about being taxi drivers?

If you don't tip these people, you're a dick. The fact that you tip people that can fuck you over for not tipping them makes you a dick and a pussy, as well. At least have the courage of your (wrong) convictions and tell the hulking bellboy at the next hotel you stay at, "Sorry, but I don't tip because it's voluntary and you didn't have to work this job."

[givememyleg]

If you don't tip these people, you're a dick. The fact that you tip people that can fuck you over for not tipping them makes you a dick and a pussy, as well. At least have the courage of your (wrong) convictions and tell the hulking bellboy at the next hotel you stay at, "Sorry, but I don't tip because it's voluntary and you didn't have to work this job."

zzomg wtf pwned amirite?

[BobbySalami]

Who said I wasnt a pussy?....an yes I was pwned....

Anyways, having worked plenty of bullshit jobs in my past, you have plenty of viable options that require no education, no experience, just pass a drug test that easily pay $10-14/hour, now why should I reward them for taking a shit job for $2/hour on the *hopes* they make enough in tips?

Plus, I think there is a difference between tipping at your local fancy restaurant(type i never visit)...and tipping at your local shithole where poor people like me eat.

[gabe]

bobby, i do agree with you that some people work alot harder for their money then waitresses, and i get pissed off when my waiter friends complain about all the people that didnt give them their automatic 20%. they act like its such a hard job and relatively speaking, its not

[BobbySalami]

bobby, i do agree with you that some people work alot harder for their money then waitresses, and i get pissed off when my waiter friends complain about all the people that didnt give them their automatic 20%. they act like its such a hard job and relatively speaking, its not

True, if I see our waiter is running around like crazy sweating their ass off to get all their customers what they want, sure that deserves a tip. But when all they do is refill your soda and go hang out by the register and come by every 5 minutes asking "is evrything all right?"...I mean wtf, why does that deserve any tip money?

[LimpinAintEZ]

SO TO ANSWER OUR ORIGINAL POSTERS QUESTION........IT DEPENDS

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT IT

I did have a lady who worked at safeway in the deli - She would NOT tip, no matter what - She said if they wanted to make more money they should get different jobs - Whats funny is that waiters/waitresses even in Pizza joints can pull in $25-30 an hour EASY, and she was working her ass off for the $9 an hour safeway paid - In her case, I agreed with her...but i still tipped (despite being cheap)

This 30% though - Fuck people - the food is overpriced too often, the service is adequate anymore, and then you have tax of almost 10% - So you want me to pay $100 for a meal, $10 for tax, and then 30% of that? Fuck that - For $100 meal I usually tip about $15...Think about it - $15 is a good tip for 1 table - they don't do THAT much usually....maybe its cheap, but it feels like enough of a tip to me....

[LimpinAintEZ]

anyone here tip the barista girls at starbucks/tully's? I usually (not always) don't, because the price of the coffee is absurd - I know they live off tips and wages there, but fuck if i'm paying $6 for a dang coffee....Then again, I live by a independent shop and they have the HOTTEST freaking barista girls i've EVER seen - Like playboy hot - and they wear there tight little shirts and short-shorts...they get a tip from me everytime....So maybe i'm just biased, but those hot girls deserve it...What is bad is that they probably get WAY more tips than anywhere else, so i should be tipping the ugly people more (not ugly, but you know what i mean)....Beautiful girls don't seem to have too much problem getting my money....lol

[gabe]

yesterday i was buying a new suit at the department store. this really old black guy was helping me and it was better service than the last 10 waiters/waitresses ive had combined. not only was he well mannered and friendly, but it he seemed genuine in his interest to help me find something that fit perfect that wasn't overpriced. i finally bought something and he shook my hand and told me it was a pleasure helping me and to have a great day.

i wanted to tip this guy, but it would have been awkward. maybe i could have just talked to a manager about how i enjoyed his help or something? any thoughts on this?

[samsonite2100]

yesterday i was buying a new suit at the department store. this really old black guy was helping me and it was better service than the last 10 waiters/waitresses ive had combined. not only was he well mannered and friendly, but it he seemed genuine in his interest to help me find something that fit perfect that wasn't overpriced. i finally bought something and he shook my hand and told me it was a pleasure helping me and to have a great day.

i wanted to tip this guy, but it would have been awkward. maybe i could have just talked to a manager about how i enjoyed his help or something? any thoughts on this?

Yes, talk to his manager/email the store--if he gets a $.50 raise because of customer satisfaction, that'll go a lot farther than slipping him a fifty, or whatever.

[gabe]

what if i say 'can i speak to a manager?' and he says 'i am the manager'

that would be awkward too. just thinking out loud though...

[samsonite2100]

what if i say 'can i speak to a manager?' and he says 'i am the manager'

that would be awkward too. just thinking out loud though...

Even if he's the manager, there are still higher-ups in the company you can write to or whatever to praise the job he's doing.


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I just wanted to add one thing. Obviously, I care a lot about this subject. I've worked in a number of service industry jobs, and a lot of my friends are waiters/bartenders/etc.

Technically, I agree with Gabe and Bobby to the extent that, no, most servers and bartenders are not working the hardest jobs in the world. I wish America was like Australia/Europe, and waiters made $12 an hour. However, the fact is that they do rely on your tips to make a decent-ish living. Every time you enter a restaurant, get in a taxi, sit down at a poker table, etc., whether you realize it or not, you are entering an unspoken social contract that says you the customer will provide a gratutity for services rendered.

No, it's not against the law to not tip, but then again, a lot of very common social contracts you would never think of breaking can be legally ignored. For example, it's not against the law to cut in line at the bank, either. Would you ever do that? Probably not, for a variety of reasons, including: 1) someone you cut in front of might punch you and 2) you've stood in enough lines in your life to know how angry you'd get if someone cut in front of you.

These invisible social contracts, and there are a million of them, comprise the backbone of civilized society. Saying you don't tip (in America) is like saying you slam doors in the face of old ladies, or loudly fart when you're on a date, or whatever; it says you're basically opting out of normative behavior to live in your own little world where consideration for other people is meaningless.

[Renton]

sam your kind attitude about this subject strikes a chord of irony with your signature

[samsonite2100]

Ah, but maybe my signature is ironic, too!

[Renton]

ya maybe your anus is literally the biggest in the world, but you are as nice as a teddy bear.

A teddy bear with a prolapsed anus.

[samsonite2100]

A teddy bear with a prolapsed anus.

It's called a "pink sock," mister man.

[thenonsequitur]

No, it's not against the law to not tip, but then again, a lot of very common social contracts you would never think of breaking can be legally ignored. For example, it's not against the law to cut in line at the bank, either. Would you ever do that? Probably not, for a variety of reasons, including: 1) someone you cut in front of might punch you and 2) you've stood in enough lines in your life to know how angry you'd get if someone cut in front of you.

These invisible social contracts, and there are a million of them, comprise the backbone of civilized society. Saying you don't tip (in America) is like saying you slam doors in the face of old ladies, or loudly fart when you're on a date, or whatever; it says you're basically opting out of normative behavior to live in your own little world where consideration for other people is meaningless.

VERY well stated, sir.

[gabe]

i dont think they work hard most of the time like i said, but i still tip alot when im not broke

[BobbySalami]

I concede Samsonite, I admit I am in the minority on this issue, and I admit I am a complete and utter asshole when it comes to money. However, unfortunately I have this right.

And it is also an unwritten social contract that I dont leave my residence to not scare the women and child, but yet I break this one as well.. :P.

EDIT: BTW, If I do feel like handing out free money I prefer to give it somebody that really does need it, Red Cross, Homeless guy, etc....

[flomo]

i just read this thread and i have to say -->you got alot of spirit bobby





and just a little tip for you " don't drink paint"

[BobbySalami]

i just read this thread and i have to say -->you got alot of spirit bobby

Thanks? Or do you just mean I have spirit in fighting a loosing battle?

[Hate]

probably completely worthless, as i don't even live in the US...but i have a problem with tipping..i'm too nice, even if i hate my country. I tip cab drivers (at least 20%), i leave a tip at the restaurant (at least the mandatory 10%)...i've taken a break from tipping dealers at the B&M as i know they don't actually receive the tips themselves and the system is pretty fucked up, but i still tip on large pots. When i was in greece, one night i tipped the bartender (it wasn't even a woman FFS) 1E for every beer (that cost 2E) - i drank A LOT of beers that night. That's gotta be hugely -EV.

[boost]

Who said I wasnt a pussy?....an yes I was pwned....

Anyways, having worked plenty of bullshit jobs in my past, you have plenty of viable options that require no education, no experience, just pass a drug test that easily pay $10-14/hour, now why should I reward them for taking a shit job for $2/hour on the *hopes* they make enough in tips?

Plus, I think there is a difference between tipping at your local fancy restaurant(type i never visit)...and tipping at your local shithole where poor people like me eat.

youre a piece of shit. They arent getting jobs in the *hopes* that they make enough in tips. They work these jobs becaues its common knowledge that tipping is proper.

And its voluntary? Is it really? Are you that dense? Does your brain not work? I was a waiter a couple years ago. If I make under minimum wage, (you have to report yoru tips) then the restauraunt is required by law to compensate me. How do you think this affects the prices on the commodities you are purchasing. You dense peice of shit, you dont tip, and essentially tipping becomes madatory, however you dont feel it directly. You just pay a nickel more for this and that, but so does everyone else. You are forcing me, and every other person who is a patron of these places to tip for your worthless ass.

Thanks asshole.

[boost]

bobby, i do agree with you that some people work alot harder for their money then waitresses, and i get pissed off when my waiter friends complain about all the people that didnt give them their automatic 20%. they act like its such a hard job and relatively speaking, its not

I agree with you in a sense. Sure not everyone needs to give you 20%. I give 20% or more normally, thats jsut me, I building karma points . I also know that in a lot of cases being a waitor is actually very hard work. Its not always, but there are a lot of jobs that pay 10-15$ an hour that dont require any more the na waitor and are much easier. Its all relative. Sure there are harder jobs, but that doesnt mean you stiffing them is ok.

I just hate people who feel so righteous(sp?) when they dont tip. Like, "thatll show him to expect me to give him money he worked for!HAH!"

[boost]

bobby, i do agree with you that some people work alot harder for their money then waitresses, and i get pissed off when my waiter friends complain about all the people that didnt give them their automatic 20%. they act like its such a hard job and relatively speaking, its not

True, if I see our waiter is running around like crazy sweating their ass off to get all their customers what they want, sure that deserves a tip. But when all they do is refill your soda and go hang out by the register and come by every 5 minutes asking "is evrything all right?"...I mean wtf, why does that deserve any tip money?

variance my freind. Just because you look over and they arent pooring sweat out thier ass doesnt mean they dont work hard in general.

[boost]

yesterday i was buying a new suit at the department store. this really old black guy was helping me and it was better service than the last 10 waiters/waitresses ive had combined. not only was he well mannered and friendly, but it he seemed genuine in his interest to help me find something that fit perfect that wasn't overpriced. i finally bought something and he shook my hand and told me it was a pleasure helping me and to have a great day.

i wanted to tip this guy, but it would have been awkward. maybe i could have just talked to a manager about how i enjoyed his help or something? any thoughts on this?

I dont know, you could just asked him if its typical for people to tip. Or you could have just slipped him the money. Or you coulda done what you suggested. I think thats super +ev for your karma. No one ever tells hte manager how good a person is. When they do it means something, I think that would make a very good impact on the manager. This is probably the best option.

[boost]

probably completely worthless, as i don't even live in the US...but i have a problem with tipping..i'm too nice, even if i hate my country. I tip cab drivers (at least 20%), i leave a tip at the restaurant (at least the mandatory 10%)...i've taken a break from tipping dealers at the B&M as i know they don't actually receive the tips themselves and the system is pretty fucked up, but i still tip on large pots. When i was in greece, one night i tipped the bartender (it wasn't even a woman FFS) 1E for every beer (that cost 2E) - i drank A LOT of beers that night. That's gotta be hugely -EV.

yah tipping at bars can be annoying. Drinks are overprived, and you dont carry around a pocket full of change, so if a beer is 2-4$, you leave him with a buck, thats a pretty big tip. When Im at a bar I typically will tip every other beer or some shit, I think this is fair, what do you guys think?


btw I posted like 6 times in a row, did I kill this threaD? sorry.

[BobbySalami]

I geuss I will just have to bow down and crawl back into my hole where this "pice of shit" "asshole" came from and agree to disagree...

But I would like this question answered from past waiters/waitresses.

1)Would you agree that waiters accross the board do a simlar amount of work (i.e IHOP versus Steak House)?

2)If yes, then why does the price of the food determine the wages of said waiter/waitress? That just seems downright silly to me....that just because a waiter delivers T-Bones instead of Pancakes they are entitled to upwards of $10-20 more per table

But if question no.1 is false, I geuss this holds no validity.

[mcatdog]

Whoa there, I think not tipping is a pretty lame thing to do, but there's no need to unload on the guy like he killed a kid or something.

[lonnie]

I've been a poker dealer for about a year and a half now, and was dealing craps/blackjack/roulette for years prior to that.

I've seen this debate too many times. It always ends up just like this. Non-tipper will make some valid points, tipper will make some valid points. There will be plenty of examples, arguments and occasional name calling. Sometimes feelings will get hurt. Internet bandwidth and data storage will be consumed.

These arguments never end up with a resolution. Noone ever changes their mind about this.

I estimate bitter non-tipping types comprise about 5% of poker players. It might be worse in restaurants, I'm not sure. I've decided not to complain about it, react to it, or even to acknowledge the missed tip.

All you can do in the service industry is provide good service to everyone, including the non-tippers and hope for the best. It usually works out alright. I've received extra tips from other players because of a stiff. I've been tipped by the loser in a big pot when the stiff won. Things have a way of working out.

Salami, if you can rationalize not tipping to yourself and are ok with it, good for you. You're taking a free ride, so enjoy it if you can.

All the tippers out there - thanks.

[animal_chin]

Barber $1 for $11 haircut.
Breakfast Waitress 15-20%, always tip more for breakfast.
Dinner Waitress 10-20%.
Fast food places that have a tip jar, I usually give them the change.
Restaurants that are buffet style, give like 15% of the drink cost.
Fancier restaurants tip a bit less for dinner.
Tip the bartender more if they make an ice cream alcoholic thing.
Don't know about cabs and stuff like that... but pretty much all of the above is standard.

[sandstorm]

here is a tip you can give everybody(waitresses, cabbies and delivery drivers)




Don't Drink Paint

har.har.

[biondino]

Anyone want to call the bar/restaurant/whatever an asshole for paying $2.13? If they paid a proper wage then they'd have to put their prices up but personally I'd be delighted not to have to deal with the whole tip thing and just pay a standard, unquestionable charge for my meal/drink/whatever.

[jyms]

Anyone want to call the bar/restaurant/whatever an asshole for paying $2.13? If they paid a proper wage then they'd have to put their prices up but personally I'd be delighted not to have to deal with the whole tip thing and just pay a standard, unquestionable charge for my meal/drink/whatever.

One of the first times I'll dissagree with you biondino. If they have no tip to work for, how fast do you think they are going to go. The tip is insurance of service. It is what makes the industry worth working in. Most service type jobs would never be able to pay $15+ an hour. If every waiter and waitress were making a good wage your meal would be $50 plus $8 beers and it would cost $100 or more for a meal at any run of the mill restaurant to pay the labour. If they had no tipping who would work there for minimum or $1 or $2 over the minimum. Tipping is what keeps them in the industry, it's not just the money, it's how most get thanked for the great service. That's why you never tip a std. amount, it must be based on the service. For example, I never tip a bartender at the bar the same for opening a beer I had to go and get the same as what I tip a waitress that get's it for me. And I never, ever not tip. I always leave something so they know that when the service is bad they get some small change and a note to tell them exactly why. I let them know that I'm not cheap , they suck. Most of the time when people don't tip the bad servers blame the cheap customer not their fuckin' attitude they should check at the door.

[samsonite2100]

Anyone want to call the bar/restaurant/whatever an asshole for paying $2.13? If they paid a proper wage then they'd have to put their prices up but personally I'd be delighted not to have to deal with the whole tip thing and just pay a standard, unquestionable charge for my meal/drink/whatever.

One of the first times I'll dissagree with you biondino. If they have no tip to work for, how fast do you think they are going to go. The tip is insurance of service. It is what makes the industry worth working in. Most service type jobs would never be able to pay $15+ an hour. If every waiter and waitress were making a good wage your meal would be $50 plus $8 beers and it would cost $100 or more for a meal at any run of the mill restaurant to pay the labour. If they had no tipping who would work there for minimum or $1 or $2 over the minimum. Tipping is what keeps them in the industry, it's not just the money, it's how most get thanked for the great service. That's why you never tip a std. amount, it must be based on the service. For example, I never tip a bartender at the bar the same for opening a beer I had to go and get the same as what I tip a waitress that get's it for me. And I never, ever not tip. I always leave something so they know that when the service is bad they get some small change and a note to tell them exactly why. I let them know that I'm not cheap , they suck. Most of the time when people don't tip the bad servers blame the cheap customer not their fuckin' attitude they should check at the door.

I wouldn't call the restaurants assholes for paying $2.13. It's just the nature of the beast here--don't know how it started, but that's how it is. Anyway, don't you live in England, Biondino?

And Trainer, IMO you have a kind of strange view of how and why tipping works. No waiter I know is secretly hoping the guy at their third table will see how fast they're working and tip them better for it. B/c they know that people generally tip a certain amount--some people are ultra-generous and some people are ten-percenters. With the exception of in the case of exceptionally bad service, most people tip a certain amount, and no amount of shucking and jiving will get them to tip more. If you really wanted good service in a place you'd never been before, you'd tip before the meal.

[bigred]

Gabe, how much should I tip a pizza guy who steals from me?

[gabe]

stab that motherfucker

[Galapogos]

Gabe, how much should I tip a pizza guy who steals from me?

Ha!