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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Actually, he kinda did. The argument was that Trump's successes prove that his brain works. Boost's reply was "he's not as successful as you think he is". That's wrong. It's also incoherent babbling unless the intent is to suggest that Trump might indeed be stupid, and his success doesn't prove otherwise.
    My argument was nuanced, but boiled down it has two main points, he likely is not as financially successful as he would like us to believe (this was mostly an implied argument) and that no matter how successful he is, success is not conditional on intelligence.

    To make the money he's made, you need to make a much higher rate of return. Higher returns, means higher risks. That means less margin for error. That means less mistakes. That means you almost never lose.
    False. More risk, means greater margins, means greater margins for error. I get how you could get this backwards, but think about it-- more margins, means, so long as you don't go bust, your margins can absorb more error.

    Further, net worth calculations can become very murky the more complex a person's finances are, which in general means the richer you are. For example Elizabeth Holmes was a billionaire and the next morning a nothingaire. This is because her net worth was contingent on a lot of things, the most important of them which proved to be non existent. In Trumps case, without his willing transparency, all we really have is a rough idea of his assets and his word that they eclipse his debt obligations to the tune of some odd billion dollars.

    I don't want to pretend to read minds, but if I might hazard a guess as to why wuf seems to want redirect the conversation to his success as an entertainer, the flimsiness of his status as a billionaire would be the guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    What if we use more sophisticated measurements? He is one of the only people in the world to corner the market he is in. Hell, he virtually invented that market. The popularization of business in reality TV, that was him, he made that happen.
    Show your work. As far as I can tell, there is no good reason to believe that he invented the market or even major aspects of the character. I'm sure he would dispute this, but the creators/producers of the Apprentice certainly don't think the credit you are giving him is justified. Then again, he hasn't disputed their claims (to my knowledge) leaving it as one of the few slights he doesn't seem to have gone after. Probably because all of the pitch meetings, exchanges with agents, scripts penned by professional writers, etc are well documented and would contradict his counter claims.
    Last edited by boost; 02-20-2018 at 06:31 PM.

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