Truth: There are degrees of homosexuality

[BennyLaRue]

This is the truth: http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/the...n-should-have/

Discuss.

I wouldn't pursue it but if Raylan Givens tried to kiss me, I'm not sure what I'd do.

Kidding, of course.

But not really.

No, seriously.

[JKDS]

I dont get it. But...i dont think there is such a thing as gay or straight so...

[Galapogos]

What kind of schools offer homosexuality degrees?

[boost]

Thier list is awful. It's like they're afraid to follow through with the premise of the article for fear of being thought gay. Thinking another male is cool is not a man crush.

It's not a man crush unless you've, at the very least, had a fleeting thought of holding his cock in your mouth and found your jimmies unexpectedly unrustled.

[Pascal]

Recognsed Timothy Olyphant from Justified, watched the first few episodes and really enjoyed it but wasn't quite enamored with it enough to keep going back for more

[BennyLaRue]

What kind of schools offer homosexuality degrees?

Probably one from the Left Coast.

[BennyLaRue]

I dont get it.

What do you not get about wanting to push up against and through the muscly ring of H. Jon Benjamin's voice?

[Savy]

It's not a man crush unless you've, at the very least, had a fleeting thought of holding his cock in your mouth and found your jimmies unexpectedly unrustled.

I hate to be the one to tell you this but...

If you had that thought and then got mad you're still gay, just in denial.

[kiwiMark]

I hate to be the one to tell you this but wat

edit: oh you misread "unrustled" as "rustled" I guess

[Galapogos]

Probably one from the Left Coast.

Stage left or house left?

[boost]

I hate to be the one to tell you this but...

If you had that thought and then got mad you're still gay, just in denial.

I am laughing at both your reading comprehension skills and at your sad desire to cling to the idea that sexuality is some sort of binary mechanism.

I mean, you do realize that you can both acknowledge that sexuality is a very complex issue, clouded by societal pressures and myriad other issues, and yet still not be jonesing for some cock, right?

It's just so funny how whenever the issue of sexuality not being black and white comes up, there are the guys (most of them tbh) who have to quip in with "well, not me, I'm 110% straight!"

Oh, and btw, it was a joke.

[kiwiMark]

I was with you up until "jonesing for some cock" and then I got all flustered.

[wufwugy]

A significant factor in sexuality is fetishization that is likely developed at a very young age. This is demonstrated in the amount of abusers who were abused themselves. I think it thoroughly permeates every aspect of sexuality to such a degree that even being a tit man or an ass man is based in it

An example I will use of myself is that I often prefer women with clothes on, particularly slim, busty ones. This is probably based in that my early life had significant stigma around that and repression related to it, which brought obsession

[a500lbgorilla]

Thier list is awful. It's like they're afraid to follow through with the premise of the article for fear of being thought gay. Thinking another male is cool is not a man crush.

It's not a man crush unless you've, at the very least, had a fleeting thought of holding his cock in your mouth and found your jimmies unexpectedly unrustled.

I appreciate the writing style as to emulate the girl's club.

Speaking of, those are some dude archetypes I'd like to emulate. Except number 1. Who the fuck is he?

[kiwiMark]

An example I will use of myself is that I often prefer women with clothes on, particularly slim, busty ones. This is probably based in that my early life had significant stigma around that and repression related to it, which brought obsession

Stigma and repression related to women with clothes on? Did you grow up in one of those hippy sex communes?

[kiwiMark]

or just in a strip club

[JKDS]

What do you not get about wanting to push up against and through the muscly ring of H. Jon Benjamin's voice?

Alls I mean to say, is that "degrees of gay" seems very primitive. What defines each degree? Is liking cock a prerequisite to be in any particular degree, and how much of a liking does it have to be? Does admiring someone's body at the gym make you 1/10th gay? What if you only like the upper echelon of guys, movie stars with billions of dollars and a solid build? Where would that place you?

Thats silly to me. Those questions dont go anywhere, and yet theyre a necessity in order to have any kind of gay scale.

The truth of the matter, is that society is slowly understanding that you can love someone that is of the same sex. Once that is no longer a barrier, then it becomes just a matter of standards. Its not wrong to love someone of the same gender, just like its not wrong to love someone of a different race. And yet, no one says "im a degree 4 latina lover".

I dont mean to suggest everyone is bisexual, just that it will soon become another factor in dating/relationships. Instead of having a strict rule of "no men" (that is just kind of there without justification), it might now become "hrm, ok so Its not a pussy...hes fucking strong though and with any luck, there will be no drama". The fact that the person is male may become just a consideration , just like race, height, wealth, complexion, body fat, etc may have already been factors with women.

[kiwiMark]

JKDS scurred he's gonna be outed as a 9th degree gaybelt

[a500lbgorilla]

Hey's saying there is no 9th degree because there's no way to distinguish it from the 8th 4th and -3rd degrees.

[JKDS]

I like some cocks.

Did you know that they curve in different directions? Fucking weird.

[a500lbgorilla]

And there isn't.

Yet.

[kiwiMark]

They used to ask when fitting pants so they didn't brush up on it, back before we invented respectable underwear

[wufwugy]

Stigma and repression related to women with clothes on? Did you grow up in one of those hippy sex communes?

yes

[Savy]

I am laughing at both your reading comprehension skills and at your sad desire to cling to the idea that sexuality is some sort of binary mechanism.

I mean, you do realize that you can both acknowledge that sexuality is a very complex issue, clouded by societal pressures and myriad other issues, and yet still not be jonesing for some cock, right?

It's just so funny how whenever the issue of sexuality not being black and white comes up, there are the guys (most of them tbh) who have to quip in with "well, not me, I'm 110% straight!"

Oh, and btw, it was a joke.

My post makes perfect sense. Also you have to be careful about extrapolating data. Can lead to some very funny conclusions.

I suppose you're American though so you weren't ever going to pick up on the irony (and tbf you don't know me well enough).

[kiwiMark]

My post makes perfect sense.

guess again champ

[Savy]

guess again champ

You'll hopefully have a "Eureka" moment at some point.

[kiwiMark]

You just wanna see me run naked through the streets dripping wet, homo

[wufwugy]

I prefer a masculinity-femininity spectrum instead of heterosexual-homosexual one. This is because I find that it's not that I'm attracted to women, but that I'm attracted to femininity. This dichotomy much more sufficiently explains fetishes. An example is that most men who like transexuals don't also like men the way that homosexuals do. I explain this by claiming that its the feminization that men who like transexuals like

Furthermore, I recall a study that showed that the vast majority of gay men are really gay. Like, they're overtly attracted to masculine features, as opposed to simply being attracted to dudes. If this is the case, then what does it mean for a man who likes highly feminized men but not the average masculine man?

[jyms]

I prefer a masculinity-femininity spectrum instead of heterosexual-homosexual one. This is because I find that it's not that I'm attracted to women, but that I'm attracted to femininity. This dichotomy much more sufficiently explains fetishes. An example is that most men who like transexuals don't also like men the way that homosexuals do. I explain this by claiming that its the feminization that men who like transexuals like

Furthermore, I recall a study that showed that the vast majority of gay men are really gay. Like, they're overtly attracted to masculine features, as opposed to simply being attracted to dudes. If this is the case, then what does it mean for a man who likes highly feminized men but not the average masculine man?

This and your other post brings up some interesting thoughts for me then. As stated before, I prefer a more muscular woman than a some of those large curvy ones. I prefer smaller asses and tits than many guys too. Not sure what that could mean for me.

[jackvance]

My take on the matter is this. Guys who are gay have parts of their brain, the attraction part but usually more than that, of a female. That's why you can often spot a gay person by their behavior. Straight guys who look up to another guy, who find that person cool, that is an evolutionary mental mechanism that makes us want to emulate other examplary males. We take on their mannerisms, and usually more, such as their way of dressing, interests, and so on. Women do the same with females they look up to. It has nothing to do with being gay, it has everything to do with being equipped with a brain that has to ensure we fit in in social life.

Being able to follow society's norms and fads is the primary way us human beings show we have a fully working brain. Others are being able to excel at some arts and crafts or sports (singers, athletes). Our brain is the most complex organ we have, and as such the best way to show our genetic purity and superiority. Our peacock's feathers that serve as a heuristic to peak into our genes which cannot be observed directly.

That is why being gay and in denial, or hiding it, must be so excruciating. You're attracted to males (because of their male features) but at the same time you follow society's rolemodels on how to be a man that is attracted to females.

[jackvance]

This and your other post brings up some interesting thoughts for me then. As stated before, I prefer a more muscular woman than a some of those large curvy ones. I prefer smaller asses and tits than many guys too. Not sure what that could mean for me.

It's normal. It's the evolutionary mechanism of niche strategies. It also explains why fetishes exist, such as a fetish for large women. A more extreme example, but basically a small amount of males interested in large women, a niche where there isn't much competition. The evolutionary approach can explain everything in a very consistent way, that is why it is the basis for all modern psychology now. But I don't know to what degree people here are interested in it so I'll just leave it at that.

[JKDS]

You guys have a much narrower definition of fetish than I do. I can't possibly see how most fetishes can even begin to be described by niche theory or an m-f scale.

[JKDS]

I think bottoms may have a bit of a female brain, but I'm not sure you're theory holds for the gay tops.

ufs theory is also weird, there are all sorts of different gay couples like twinks and bears, plenty of examples where the attraction isn't necessarily the man features (im took that to not mean cock btw)

[Luco]

Degrees of Homosexuality? That must mean there's



Fifty shades of Gay

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[jackvance]

You guys have a much narrower definition of fetish than I do. I can't possibly see how most fetishes can even begin to be described by niche theory or an m-f scale.

Maybe fetish wasn't the right word to use, it makes you think of outlandish fetishes. Like guys who like to see women pee or take a horse's cock up the ass. But remember that because our brains are such a complex organism strange things can happen. If a fetish actually impedes on a person's ability to mate, they'll simply get weeded out of the genepool, that's how it works. I meant it more in the sense of differing tastes (the fat women taste is called a fetish though). The most attractive thing about a female is still that you have a connection with her, that's she's interested in you.

Also have to add most of what I'm saying is based on older books and articles I've read. Unless you want to know the intricate details of perception (and perception psychology) I haven't been following the rest all that much in recent years.

[kiwiMark]

Degrees of Homosexuality? That must mean there's



Fifty shades of Gay

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

bam. once again I call to bring back rep. it's like there's never any updates to this forum

[givememyleg]

bam. once again I call to bring back rep

i gave you an infraction for this post. idk what that did but you just got 10000000 infraction points.

[kiwiMark]

well I just deleted it to replace it with one including the quote cos I thought clicking reply on a post would include a quote but I gotta click reply with quote on a post to include a quote so I guess your infraction points vanish and for my turn I award myself 4.2 YEEEEEEEEAAAAA points and mortgage my railways.

[givememyleg]

hehehehehehe

[kiwiMark]

damn you

[ChipEaterMan]

Degrees of Homosexuality? What's that? Pee Wee Herman is half gay half straight

[BennyLaRue]

And yet, no one says "im a degree 4 latina lover".

It's not numeric. It's colour coded.

[wufwugy]

Check out anything by Christopher Ryan. I like his podcasts on The Joe Rogan Experience. He's always covering super interesting sexual dynamics that open more questions than provide answers.

The colloquial use of "fetish" is different than the way I used it. Something as seemingly ordinary as the overt adoration of large breasts in the West (specifically America) can probably be considered a fetish. It's nearly impossible to test, but I theorize that all pre-civilization cultures didn't worship breasts anywhere close to the way we do. The short of it is a combination of extreme Puritanism and marketing that has made a culture that emphasizes breasts but feels dirty if they're ever revealed. Breasts have always been sexual, but the massive focus on them appears to be an exclusively Americanized thing. It's not a coincidence that Puritanism only became dominant in America

[kiwiMark]

this is why the crazy cover-it-aaaaalll muslim folks are onto a winner - imagine if the whole girl was as great as boobies

[Pascal]

bam. once again I call to bring back rep. it's like there's never any updates to this forum

one day soon hopefully

[Luco]

bam. once again I call to bring back rep. it's like there's never any updates to this forum

Meh to rep, but yeah I was quite pleased with that one so thanks

I'm not a breast man. tbh it's kinda tilting when I hear guys going on about them like they're the only thing that matters. Looking at bikes' girl posts he seems to have a thing for eyes, which is awesome.

[kiwiMark]

I'm probably more in the yours/bikes camp tbh, but gotta know your audience

[JKDS]

I just like to grope :3

[wufwugy]

This and your other post brings up some interesting thoughts for me then. As stated before, I prefer a more muscular woman than a some of those large curvy ones. I prefer smaller asses and tits than many guys too. Not sure what that could mean for me.

Perhaps. Muscle isn't that big of a masculine trait relative to other ones. Femininity has its own unique muscle patterns and sizes. Lots of men prefer petite too.

[Lukie]

I am laughing at both your reading comprehension skills and at your sad desire to cling to the idea that sexuality is some sort of binary mechanism.

I mean, you do realize that you can both acknowledge that sexuality is a very complex issue, clouded by societal pressures and myriad other issues, and yet still not be jonesing for some cock, right?

It's just so funny how whenever the issue of sexuality not being black and white comes up, there are the guys (most of them tbh) who have to quip in with "well, not me, I'm 110% straight!"

Oh, and btw, it was a joke.

I think most guys who say that are just being honest. Maybe a little insecure, depending on the context of how "well, not me, I'm 110% straight!" comes out, but honest nonetheless. Of course that doesn't discount that it is a complex issue overall.

[Jack Sawyer]

If a fetish actually impedes on a person's ability to mate, they'll simply get weeded out of the genepool, that's how it works. I meant it more in the sense of differing tastes (the fat women taste is called a fetish though).

Food for thought: if this was 100% true, then there would be no homosexuality left at some point. But this simply can't be entirely true, in the same way the blond gene isn't disappearing, contrary to what some people thought at one point.

I think fetishes are more a nurture thing, in which case some path through life will simply eventually lead you to what gets you on more. And what doesn't. Actual sexual preference is the nature part.

Obviously I'm not hating on gay people nor blondes nor anyone else. But I believe there's a lot more involved than "just" genes.

[Galapogos]

Mind fuck!

I have just realized that Jack Sawyer and jackvance are two different people! I recognize both names, but whenever I have read their posts I just thought of them as "Jack". Not until now when they actual replied to one another did I realize that Jack was made up of two different people.

[wufwugy]

If a fetish actually impedes on a person's ability to mate, they'll simply get weeded out of the genepool, that's how it works. I meant it more in the sense of differing tastes (the fat women taste is called a fetish though).

Food for thought: if this was 100% true, then there would be no homosexuality left at some point.

Evolution happens to populations, not individuals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZWqQNRAoKY

[boost]

Mind fuck!

I have just realized that Jack Sawyer and jackvance are two different people! I recognize both names, but whenever I have read their posts I just thought of them as "Jack". Not until now when they actual replied to one another did I realize that Jack was made up of two different people.

Man, that's hilarious, because I had the exact same thought, then scroll down to see you having the same thought that I had thought about while reading the posts that caused you to think the thought.

[jackvance]

Lol. I'm the belgian guy. I don't often post in the commune normally though.

Food for thought: if this was 100% true, then there would be no homosexuality left at some point.

Homosexuality is the one thing we're puzzled about. It seems to be something that is inevitable to pop up in a population for whatever reason, as there are also homosexual animals.

But this simply can't be entirely true, in the same way the blond gene isn't disappearing, contrary to what some people thought at one point.

Yes, the genes aren't as recessive as was previously thought. My brother's daughter is a blonde with blue eyes, my brother has brown hair and his gf is a dirty blonde, to the point of being mostly brunette.

I think fetishes are more a nurture thing, in which case some path through life will simply eventually lead you to what gets you on more. And what doesn't. Actual sexual preference is the nature part.

Obviously I'm not hating on gay people nor blondes nor anyone else. But I believe there's a lot more involved than "just" genes.

I agree with this. There are the recreational fetishes that don't matter for a person's reproduction - it makes no difference if you like to see girls pee, as long as you still fuck them normally also. But the niche strategies part is a thing. Our brain takes clues from our upbringing (nurture) to form them.

[ChipEaterMan]

Mind fuck!

I have just realized that Jack Sawyer and jackvance are two different people! I recognize both names, but whenever I have read their posts I just thought of them as "Jack". Not until now when they actual replied to one another did I realize that Jack was made up of two different people.

If only you had paid more attention you should have realized that the 2 jacks have different degrees of homosexuality

[Luco]

Lol, its like daven / d0zer of 2013

[jackvance]

I mostly remember people by their avatar (except for the WW folk), which is why it sucks when people change them. Like, there's this superman avatar guy that always posts pictures of Game of Thrones.

[Lukie]

I think of Jack Sawyer as the big, fun loving, New York guy (from pics, maybe visiting?)

I think of jackvance as the Chess and Tribal Wars player.

[boost]

Tribal Wars!

[Jack Sawyer]

I think of Jack Sawyer as the big, fun loving, New York guy (from pics, maybe visiting?)

Spot on Lukie, I'm from the Caribbean though.

[jackvance]

Yikes that game. I had quite literally forgotten all about it.

[Lukie]

yeah I had long forgotten about it too. Someone had mentioned it in a bumped thread. That was a cool game but took way too much damn time

[gabe]

sexuality is such a weird thing to analyze since the only thing you have to go off of is your own experience. it's hard to understand how people are naturally because you can't isolate people's natural behaviors from those behaviors influenced by social pressures.

like wuf said, chris ryan wrote some good stuff on the subject of human sexuality. ive only read 'sex at dawn' but it was very thought provoking and is more focused on "straight" sexuality in culture. it will definitely make anyone considering settling down with 1 partner think differently.

im on the gay side of the spectrum but some days i feel gayer/straighter than others. as far as labeling it... like sweet brown said aint nobody got time fo dat!

from a couple nights ago at the bar, this 40+ y/o woman was hitting on me
her: "so are you here waiting on your girlfriend?"
me:"no"
her:"so you dont have a girlfriend?"
me: lol "no... i dont date girls"
she considers this for 10 seconds......"so.......... youre a playa?"

[Chelle]

sexuality is weird, over all.

being raised in a crazy close-minded area about homosexuality/bisexuality i was always confused. i remember thinking a lot about how attractive other females were, then when puberty hit, it was like "hmn!".

even though i find females attractive and would get all sexy-time with them i wouldn't date them. over half the time i can't stand them, then again that goes for males and females. there's a few females i like as friends, but then i completely cut off the sexuality part of it.

[boost]

sexuality is such a weird thing to analyze since the only thing you have to go off of is your own experience. it's hard to understand how people are naturally because you can't isolate people's natural behaviors from those behaviors influenced by social pressures.

like wuf said, chris ryan wrote some good stuff on the subject of human sexuality. ive only read 'sex at dawn' but it was very thought provoking and is more focused on "straight" sexuality in culture. it will definitely make anyone considering settling down with 1 partner think differently.

im on the gay side of the spectrum but some days i feel gayer/straighter than others. as far as labeling it... like sweet brown said aint nobody got time fo dat!

from a couple nights ago at the bar, this 40+ y/o woman was hitting on me
her: "so are you here waiting on your girlfriend?"
me:"no"
her:"so you dont have a girlfriend?"
me: lol "no... i dont date girls"
she considers this for 10 seconds......"so.......... youre a playa?"

So I take it you'd recommend Sex At Dawn? I was listening to NPR recently and there was this author on talking about his book on male sexuality. The book is titled Why Men Fake It. I think I may go grab a copy, as I've been wanting something to read, and I've never really done much study on sexuality aside from random pondering and Wiki time sinking.

[kiwiMark]

from a couple nights ago at the bar, this 40+ y/o woman was hitting on me
her: "so are you here waiting on your girlfriend?"
me:"no"
her:"so you dont have a girlfriend?"
me: lol "no... i dont date girls"
she considers this for 10 seconds......"so.......... youre a playa?"

hahah too good

[wufwugy]

So I take it you'd recommend Sex At Dawn? I was listening to NPR recently and there was this author on talking about his book on male sexuality. The book is titled Why Men Fake It. I think I may go grab a copy, as I've been wanting something to read, and I've never really done much study on sexuality aside from random pondering and Wiki time sinking.

I haven't read it, but I positive it's great. Chris Ryan is legit. He always has the most thought-provoking insights into unusual cultural dynamics with a focus on sex

[wufwugy]

Two 4 minute examples of what Chris Ryan covers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9v5DuZPOCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i13s7...ture=endscreen

[gabe]

So I take it you'd recommend Sex At Dawn? I was listening to NPR recently and there was this author on talking about his book on male sexuality. The book is titled Why Men Fake It. I think I may go grab a copy, as I've been wanting something to read, and I've never really done much study on sexuality aside from random pondering and Wiki time sinking.

i didnt finish it fwiw but it made me think of our social constructions of monotony as strange. go to a bookstore or library and read part of it. you'll want to read the whole thing or at least it will give you something to think about

[bode]

I think of Jack Sawyer as the big, fun loving, New York guy (from pics, maybe visiting?)

I think of jackvance as the Chess and Tribal Wars player.

this, except i picture JS as a big, fun loving guy who is living life and slaying tail in the Caribbean

[oskar]

from a couple nights ago at the bar, this 40+ y/o woman was hitting on me
her: "so are you here waiting on your girlfriend?"
me:"no"
her:"so you dont have a girlfriend?"
me: lol "no... i dont date girls"
she considers this for 10 seconds......"so.......... youre a playa?"

Haha that's my kind of girl!

You should have let her do you just for being such a good sport.

[Jack Sawyer]

this, except i picture JS as a big, fun loving guy who is living life and slaying tail in the Caribbean

Spot on bode, no need for a correction to this description!

[kiwiMark]

I picture jack as a big, fun loving black head and shoulders on long white girl ass and legs

[Jack Sawyer]

Hahaha, on some days that description fits waaay too well