UG is more pure than your inferior race

[wufwugy]

The study on Jews you linked says something different than what you said. What you said is representative of a long time debunked theory of evolution called Lamarkism. The article claims a correlation between genes that cause both disease and neuronal growth with IQ, that's all.

You also seem to be confusing the most recent common ancestor with Mitochondrial Eve. The MRCA only needs to be father to all humans alive, Mitochondrial Eve is the *mother* of all humans alive. This doesn't look like it's much of a difference, but it's actually a huge difference. The MRCA would be some dude who made babies with a bunch of chicks over large regions and his children did the same thing over other regions, and soon enough the MRCA is the great great great grandfather to everybody. Mitochondrial Eve is the ONLY woman of her time to have passed on her genes to every human alive today.

Estimates are that our earliest MRCA could be 3k years, it's really likely that he's 5-6k years, and it's super unlikely that he's 10k+ years out. Shit, I could be the MRCA in like a thousand years if I made babies in every region of the world

But you are right that the amount of genes we carry from the MRCA is super small. The point is that on evolutionary scales, human ethnicities are not that far apart.

You're misunderstanding my position (and the position of most scientists). It's not that there is no heredity in IQ, and not that all lineages are the same; but that there is no concrete evidence for there being a difference in IQ based on genes along social racial lines. Just give me ten generations of selective breeding and I'll breed a lineage that has the highest IQ of all human lineages. There could be African lineages that out perform the white average. This really skews the broad brush race idea.

There are likely cognitive function of ethnicities that could be different, but we have not determined that, and even if we identified all the genes we thought were responsible, we would still have a very flawed way of fully testing said cognitive function

[spoonitnow]

I think racism is more interesting than race, if that makes any sense.

What if we just all decided to be all hateful against people with blue eyes. It would be like HAHA YOU GODDAMN BLUE EYES HAVING PORCH MONKEY or whatever terms would come up.

Gotta watch them sumbitches with blue eyes, they're after our brown-eyed women! And they are violent criminals too!

[StillDeadMoney]

I'm just wondering if historians are going to say if Obama isn't the first black president because he is only half black the second a president with two black parents get innaugurated.

[wufwugy]

That could happen among a small sect of the populous, but not by historians. The simple fact that he is currently considered the first black president is enough for future historians to claim that he was the first black president.

Also, I suspect that Obama has always self-identified as African American since it's his dad that is black

What I'm looking forward to is the first gay atheist president. Xtians will aspolde

[StillDeadMoney]

What I'm looking forward to is the first gay atheist president. Xtians will aspolde

How about female, gay, asian, jewish, wheelchair-bound, blind president?

...

May as well get all of the "firsts" out of the way so we can go back to electing people who actually know wtf they are doing.

[Lukie]

That could happen among a small sect of the populous, but not by historians. The simple fact that he is currently considered the first black president is enough for future historians to claim that he was the first black president.

Also, I suspect that Obama has always self-identified as African American since it's his dad that is black

What I'm looking forward to is the first gay atheist president. Xtians will aspolde

An openly gay or openly atheist president is a LONG way away. Of course I would have said the same thing about a black president a few years ago, but that's been 50 years in the making. I'd expect at least an equal amount of time for an openly gay or atheist president though.

Of course predicting the political climate 50 years down the road is a hilariously futile endeavor so I could easily be wrong.

[wufwugy]

Yeah the entire political climate would have to be very different for that. I doubt we'll even be close to a gay or atheist president by 2100

[BennyLaRue]

How about...wheelchair-bound...president?

You had one of those there, sparky.

[a500lbgorilla]

WTF is that on his arm?

[Jack Sawyer]

My point is: what are the chances that blacks and whites have EXACTLY the same frequencies of EVERY gene related to intelligence? Like the genes I posted above. Twins raised in different environments have very similar IQs, it is estimated IQ upon adulthood is 50% genetic. Even if there are environmental factors, why can't the black-white IQ gap be 10% genetic? Saying it is exactly 0% genetic is being dogmatic and not looking at all the facts.

Hey iopq:

In a recent editorial in the New York Times entitled, “All Brains Are the Same Color“, Dr. Nisbett argues against the hypothesis that IQ differences between blacks and whites are genetic. He notes that decades of research have not supported the assertion that one of the races in the United States is biologically inferior in terms of innate intelligence. Rather, he argues, “Whites showed better comprehension of sayings, better ability to recognize similarities and better facility with analogies — when solutions required knowledge of words and concepts that were more likely to be known to whites than to blacks.(an example would be an analogy using the word "yacht instead of boat") But when these kinds of reasoning were tested with words and concepts known equally well to blacks and whites, there were no differences. Within each race, prior knowledge predicted learning and reasoning, but between the races it was prior knowledge only that differed.”

I am conceding we don't know how much it is genetic and how much it is environmental. I'm just saying it's both in part.

I have seen both smart and dumb people in every race, color, place or subgenre imaginable. That is not mentioning that "IQ Tests" as a measure of general intelligence is pretty limited. The concept of trying to put numbers on something as relative as "intelligence" is pretty whack imo.

[BennyLaRue]

WTF is that on his arm?

A black man?

[a500lbgorilla]

And no one was around to lynch it for him? How barbaric!

[kevster]

To lighten the mood.........

Everyone's a little bit Racist (Audio only but good quality)

Everyone's a little bit Racist (AV but not great quality)

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Also, I suspect that Obama has always self-identified as African American since it's his dad that is black

silly assumption imo.

[wufwugy]

What's the criteria by which people decide what to sign on those forms?

[boost]

there isnt any, any institution is definitely afraid of implying the "one drop" policy.

I have seen both smart and dumb people in every race, color, place or subgenre imaginable. That is not mentioning that "IQ Tests" as a measure of general intelligence is pretty limited. The concept of trying to put numbers on something as relative as "intelligence" is pretty whack imo.

straw man much?

I never said there were no dumb white people and there were no smart black people

[boost]

I never said there were no dumb white people ...

good thing, cuz if you had, we wouldnt have to look far to find an example to prove you wrong. ducwidt?

In a recent editorial in the New York Times entitled, “All Brains Are the Same Color“, Dr. Nisbett argues against the hypothesis that IQ differences between blacks and whites are genetic. He notes that decades of research have not supported the assertion that one of the races in the United States is biologically inferior in terms of innate intelligence. Rather, he argues, “Whites showed better comprehension of sayings, better ability to recognize similarities and better facility with analogies — when solutions required knowledge of words and concepts that were more likely to be known to whites than to blacks.(an example would be an analogy using the word "yacht instead of boat") But when these kinds of reasoning were tested with words and concepts known equally well to blacks and whites, there were no differences. Within each race, prior knowledge predicted learning and reasoning, but between the races it was prior knowledge only that differed.”

so actually those tests that have equal black and white scores have 0% correlation with g
the tests that are the most g loaded have the highest black-white IQ gap

you have right

[spoonitnow]

you have right

You stupid motherfuckers never figure it out, do you?

may I note that it's impossible to make a test that uses "black" concepts/words whatever they are, to make blacks score higher? Make an IQ test about living in the hood and blacks still won't score higher