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  1. #1
    Does really cheap labour not create big pluses for those areas surrounding the border at certain times of year?

    Does the drug trade not basically pay for itself to get through no matter what the barriers are?

    It strikes me as a very ineffective way ($ terms) to solve problems defined by a government some of which aren't even problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Does really cheap labour not create big pluses for those areas surrounding the border at certain times of year?
    How would it? If an illegal immigrant works illegally (for cheap), then that [criminal] business experiences increased profits. Where do those profits go? Certainly not to the employees....otherwise it wouldn't be 'cheap labor'. And when the employees are sending large amounts of their money back to Mexico, the jobs don't benefit the economy as much as "legal" workers would.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Does the drug trade not basically pay for itself to get through no matter what the barriers are?
    No security is absolute. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Also, I don't think the drug trade really cares where their money comes from. So the drugs will follow the path of least resistance. If it's cheaper and less risky to smuggle drugs to, say for example, France instead of America, then French folks are gonna be gettin' high.

    America has the disadvantage of proximity. It's not like there is an ocean between Mexico and the US. So it only follows that America's response to border security be a stronger one than, say for example, France. Otherwise, we're just creating that path of least resistance....right into America.

    There's a reason it's so hard to get cocaine in Saudi Arabia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    How would it? If an illegal immigrant works illegally (for cheap), then that [criminal] business experiences increased profits. Where do those profits go? Certainly not to the employees....otherwise it wouldn't be 'cheap labor'. And when the employees are sending large amounts of their money back to Mexico, the jobs don't benefit the economy as much as "legal" workers would.
    So you're for huge hikes in workers rights such as health benefits, minimum wage, etc?

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    No security is absolute. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Also, I don't think the drug trade really cares where their money comes from. So the drugs will follow the path of least resistance. If it's cheaper and less risky to smuggle drugs to, say for example, France instead of America, then French folks are gonna be gettin' high.

    America has the disadvantage of proximity. It's not like there is an ocean between Mexico and the US. So it only follows that America's response to border security be a stronger one than, say for example, France. Otherwise, we're just creating that path of least resistance....right into America.
    This is so irrelevant to what I said. The point was exactly about $ spent/reward of that. Maybe you healthcare shouldn't be so fucked that people can go across the border and get much cheaper service & prescription drugs at a fraction of the price. Also you realise France is basically part of mainland Europe, it's connected very liberally to most places.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    There's a reason it's so hard to get cocaine in Saudi Arabia.
    Actually knowing people who spend time in these places I can tell you that it isn't. Maybe in the same way if you went to anywhere in the world you might find it hard to get coke with no connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    So you're for huge hikes in workers rights such as health benefits, minimum wage, etc?
    I definitely did not say that. I'm merely refuting your claim that cheap labor is a boon to border economies. Redistribution doesn't seem like much of a benefit either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Actually knowing people who spend time in these places I can tell you that it isn't. Maybe in the same way if you went to anywhere in the world you might find it hard to get coke with no connections.
    Seriously, just stop. Do you know what the penalty is for drug possession in Saudi Arabia? Are you telling me that it's not a deterrent at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    I definitely did not say that. I'm merely refuting your claim that cheap labor is a boon to border economies. Redistribution doesn't seem like much of a benefit either.
    If it happens it is of benefit to someone. Who is this? If you think mexican workers then just lol why would anyone let this type of thing happen just to benefit some mexicans.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    Seriously, just stop. Do you know what the penalty is for drug possession in Saudi Arabia? Are you telling me that it's not a deterrent at all?
    Amongst who? The people that do large quantities of drugs, definitely not because they get away with it. Just as they do in any area. Funnily enough chopping peoples hands off for stealing has long been proven to be ineffective at stopping that exact behaviour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    If it happens it is of benefit to someone. Who is this? If you think mexican workers then just lol why would anyone let this type of thing happen just to benefit some mexicans.
    That's why there are laws against illegal immigration and hiring illegal workers. It doesn't help America. It only benefits those mexican workers. It's an exploitation. That's why it's wrong. Thats why it needs to be stopped. We have the laws, they just aren't being enforced.

    You're absolutely right! LOL @ America for letting this happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Amongst who? The people that do large quantities of drugs, definitely not because they get away with it. Just as they do in any area. Funnily enough chopping peoples hands off for stealing has long been proven to be ineffective at stopping that exact behaviour.
    We're getting away from my point now. The people doing large quantities of drugs in Saudi Arabia aren't doing cocaine, or heroin. In fact, the biggest drug epidemic is a crude amphetamine that is sort of a precursor to Ritalin.

    Bringing cocaine to Saudi Arabia bears more risk than bringing that same cocaine to America. That means a higher cost to a Mexican cartel. Do you think the cartels really care about expanding their business in the middle east? Or will they send their product to America, on the path of least resistance.

    Therefore, one could conclude, that creating more resistance will lead to less drugs flowing in to the country. If America buttons itself up better, more drugs will go to Brazil, or Argentina, or South Africa, or France, or wherever else it's cheapest and least risky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaStand View Post
    That's why there are laws against illegal immigration and hiring illegal workers. It doesn't help America. It only benefits those mexican workers. It's an exploitation. That's why it's wrong. Thats why it needs to be stopped. We have the laws, they just aren't being enforced.

    You're absolutely right! LOL @ America for letting this happen.
    Surely you see that the American who hires the Mexican is helped by the cheaper labor cost.

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