What constitutes rape

[kevster]

This is a pretty incredible story -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

Discuss.

[a500lbgorilla]

Nooooooooooooooo ho ho hoooooo way am I touching the Israel-Palestine problem with a 10 foot pole right now.

My only beef is that we give so much money to Israel and I've never understood why.

[spoonitnow]

Handing down the verdict, Tzvi Segal, one of three judges on the case, acknowledged that sex had been consensual but said that although not "a classical rape by force," the woman would not have consented if she had not believed Kashur was Jewish.

The sex therefore was obtained under false pretences, the judges said. "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," they added.

The court ruled that Kashur should receive a jail term and rejected the option of a six-month community service order. He was said to be seeking to appeal.



Soooooooo basically if you lie to get sex that's rape now? This is some retarded shit.

[Luco]

Spoon got it

[Muzzard]

Stupid verdict, I wouldn't be surprised if this was appealed and was successful. At least it's not in US or UK.

I mean this could potentially be used in any situation. Oh he lied about his age, he was 58 not 32. Therefore rape! Or he told me he was an airline pilot, when he works in tie rack, rape! he said he had a 8inch penis, but after sex I measure it and it was only 7! rape!

The precedent would be just too far reaching.

[JL]

No, this could not be used in any situation because this involves religion.

She's a Jew, and she had sex with an Arab. Because of his lie, she will now burn in hell for eternity.
He should obviously be sentenced to eternity in prison.

[Muzzard]

Here's a piece from the UK, on the same kind of subject

BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Pilot denies 'rape by deception'

[BankItDrew]

LOLOL I am going to jail.

[spoonitnow]

Here's a piece from the UK, on the same kind of subject

BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Pilot denies 'rape by deception'

This is much different imo, although the total story is equally stupid.

[a500lbgorilla]

ITT rapists rationalize their victimizing ways.

[givememyleg]

This just in - Judges are fucking retarded in the middle east.

[kiwiMark]

I remember a while back there was a big stink 'cause some aborigines pack-raped some 13 year old girl, and the judge was like look I know she was probably keen, but c'mon guys she's 13.

I may have this story completely wrong.

[Warpe]

Soooo...what if you used a fake name/bogus occupation?

[StarGrinder]

The sex therefore was obtained under false pretenses, the judges said. "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated."

Since when does a guy who's looking for a serious, long-term relationship look to hit it the first night and the girl obliges like an idiot. I mean, yeah that's great, but I wouldn't have married my wife if she would've put out on the first night. Kinda sets off alarm bells like, yeah, there's probably been a lot of cocks in this chick's mouth. Not exactly the kind of girl you want to take home to mom, ya know? So this stupid bitch should have known better and not have been so gullible. Case should have been thrown out on the account of stupidity.

[eugmac]

Well if it had been a Jewish guy who "raped" an Arab girl, the verdict would be rather different. This story has not much to do with the definition of rape as the Israel-Palestine situation, as Rilla already figured out.

[oskar]

Turns out I did a lot of raping in my time. o_O

When those bitches find out I'm not an astronaut/millionair/superman I'm fked!

[bigred]

Turns out I did a lot of raping in my time. o_O

When those bitches find out I'm not an astronaut/millionair/superman I'm fked!

Wtf you're not an astronaut/millionair/superman?!?!?!?! I'll see you in court you lying sack of shit

[sinister1]

she got outplayed, plain and simple

[flomo]

some day when i am somebody, i'll say you raped me

[wufwugy]

I'll touch the Israel-Palestine garbage all day long

Fuck Israel. Wait, no, don't fuck Israel. Fuck United States. Israel is a strategic US military base that probably wouldn't exist even close to its current form otherwise. Just like how we've been butt buddies with the House of Saud and protect them from being overthrown in exchange for their uninterrupted oil. It may not look like it from a distance, but pretty much all the major developments all over the ME for half a century have been heavily influenced by the US simply looking for the flow of oil.

As for the OP, it's not about rape but about racism/class-warfare with a hint of puritanism

Also, in case anybody cares to know "who's at fault" in the Israel/Palestine/Gaza thing, it's Israel (and the US). Even if Palestine was 100% wrong about everything, the ultimate fault is still upon Israel/US because they're the only ones with the power to change anything. The warlords have convinced the commoners that the prisoners are the problem

[WillburForce]

Since when does a guy who's looking for a serious, long-term relationship look to hit it the first night and the girl obliges like an idiot. I mean, yeah that's great, but I wouldn't have married my wife if she would've put out on the first night. Kinda sets off alarm bells like, yeah, there's probably been a lot of cocks in this chick's mouth. Not exactly the kind of girl you want to take home to mom, ya know? So this stupid bitch should have known better and not have been so gullible. Case should have been thrown out on the account of stupidity.

anyone who has probs with how many blokes his gf/wife has been with has a small dick imo.

[kevster]

Is it possible to put the religion to one side? If so, does her actions make her racist?

[boost]

I think the question that is better than "if he were jewish and she was arab" is "if the person lying were the woman and the person being 'victimized' was the man, would the verdict come back the same?"

[a500lbgorilla]

I think the question that is better than "if he were jewish and she was arab" is "if the person lying were the woman and the person being 'victimized' was the man, would the verdict come back the same?"

I think both lines of thinking are a bad idea.

It is what it is, no sense bringing in the hypothetical. You'll find yourself going down all sorts of strange avenues built around people's deep-seated prejudices and their personal sense of victimization.

[StarGrinder]

anyone who has probs with how many blokes his gf/wife has been with has a small dick imo.

Penis envy? But seriously, it's the same reason you don't marry a stripper or an escort. It's like buying a used mattress and having to sleep on it for the rest of your life, never knowing where it's been.

[kiwiMark]

@stargrinder

[StarGrinder]

LOL

[eugmac]

Seriously, if you think about it, how is declaring a "Jewish State" any better than declaring another "Aryan Blond-Blue-Eyed State"?

[WillburForce]

Penis envy? But seriously, it's the same reason you don't marry a stripper or an escort. It's like buying a used mattress and having to sleep on it for the rest of your life, never knowing where it's been.

if the used mattress is more comfy than the new one, I'll have the used one please.

[WillburForce]

Seriously, if you think about it, how is declaring a "Jewish State" any better than declaring another "Aryan Blond-Blue-Eyed State"?

aryan blond and blue eyed ain't a religion.

[eugmac]

aryan blond and blue eyed ain't a religion.

Are you saying that the Israel/Palestine situation has nothing to do with race?

edit: my point really is that whether you divide people by race, religion, ethnicity, cultural group... it doesn't really make a difference, does it?

[kiwiMark]

right now you're dividing yourself from the non-retarded people :-/

[eugmac]

right now you're dividing yourself from the non-retarded people :-/

?

[eugmac]

i do apologize for the thread derail, though.

[WillburForce]

Are you saying that the Israel/Palestine situation has nothing to do with race?

edit: my point really is that whether you divide people by race, religion, ethnicity, cultural group... it doesn't really make a difference, does it?

it has nothing to do with race yes. its a religious ideology the numptys are fighting over (obv theres more to it, but at its heart). you could be black Jewish and live in Israel. You could be blond blue eyed Jewish and live in Isreal. You don't wanna be Musilm and live there. Ya feel me?


I agree that its stupid to divide people at all - but thats the problem with religion.

[a500lbgorilla]

All of which are equally nonsensical ways of grouping people; nonsensical but still can be taken meaningfully - is his point.

[eugmac]

Yeah, well since the Jewish religion is so closely tied to the ethnicity of the people, the issue is very contentious.

The question of whether Israelis and Palestinians can be said to constitute "racial groups" has been a point of contention in regard to the applicability of the ICSPCA and Article 7 of the Rome Statute. Political writer Ronald Bruce St John has argued that in regards to the ICSPCA "Israeli policy in the West Bank cannot technically be defined as apartheid because it lacks the racial component". However he then states that with the 2002 introduction of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court "the emphasis shifts to an identifiable national, ethnic or cultural group, as opposed to a racial group," in which case "Israeli policy in the West Bank clearly constitutes a form of apartheid with an effect on the Palestinian people much the same as apartheid had on the non-White population in South Africa."[28

Also some argue that whether you're "Jewish" or not does indeed depend on who your parents were:

The HSRC's 2009 report states that in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, Jewish and Palestinian identities are "socially constructed as groups distinguished by ancestry or descent as well as nationality, ethnicity, and religion. On this basis, the study concludes that Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs can be considered 'racial groups' for the purposes of the definition of apartheid in international law."[31]

Source: Israel and the apartheid analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[a500lbgorilla]

One reason why I'm looking for my 20 ft distancing pole on this issue is because I have a very difficult time aligning myself with Islam and Islamic nations.

YouTube - Three Things About Islam <---- Likely propaganda, since I don't know who made it.

[WillburForce]

i've never forgiven the Jews for killing Jesus.

He was the son of god for Christs sake.

[eugmac]

FWIW I think it's just as bad to establish a theocratic Islamic state.

Separation of church and state yes please.

[a500lbgorilla]

Impossible, the Jews could never kill Osiris. He's the undying God of the Afterworld.

[StarGrinder]

i've never forgiven the Jews for killing Jesus.

He was the son of god for Christs sake.

He also turned water in to wine for Christ's sake... err, for his sake.

[eugmac]

One reason why I'm looking for my 20 ft distancing pole on this issue is because I have a very difficult time aligning myself with Islam and Islamic nations.

YouTube - Three Things About Islam <---- Likely propaganda, since I don't know who made it.

Re: The ideas of abrogation and Taqiyya mentioned in this video, it seems like a perfect example of Orwellian doublethink. The Wikipedia article for Taqiyya even has a "See Also" link to the article on Doublethink, lol.

[JKDS]

I just kept hearing Shania over and over

[wufwugy]

They're not really fighting over religion, but over economics. Things like nationalism and religion almost always take over as the facade that most people fool themselves into believing, but as it does with nearly everything, it breaks down into resource distribution

[kiwiMark]

right now you're dividing yourself from the non-retarded people :-/

I don't even remember writing this. In any event, godwin's law.

[a500lbgorilla]

So says Hitler-incarnate.

[kevster]

Ok peeps - getting the thread back on track - I've learnt from 36 hours in France that wine, cheese and bread constitutes a form of rape.

[a500lbgorilla]

So says Goebbles-incarnate.

[kevster]

So says Mussolini-incarnate.

[spoonitnow]

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[spoonitnow]

also welcome to page 2

[spoonitnow]

also jesus christ what the fuck is up with this retarded ass rape bullshit i mean fuck

[kevster]

lol, Spoon's been on the sauce