04-14-2020 12:38 PM
#151
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04-14-2020 12:41 PM
#152
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It's hard to distinguish racism from economic classism, IMO. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 04-14-2020 at 12:44 PM.
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04-14-2020 01:37 PM
#153
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Would you say that when 40% of the population is non-white that this: | |
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04-14-2020 01:49 PM
#154
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04-14-2020 01:56 PM
#155
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Let me clarify a little on that. |
04-14-2020 02:40 PM
#156
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The thing is, we've always said that, but never done that. | |
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04-14-2020 03:38 PM
#157
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How does a party end up with an ethnically homogenous house and senate when all ethnicities have equal opportunity? I'd say it doesn't. There is racial inequality. | |
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04-14-2020 03:44 PM
#158
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Pretty good thread on why it's ridiculous to think that any of these people are in their positions because of merit. | |
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04-14-2020 05:46 PM
#159
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There is reason to believe that there is some imbalance of representation on the margins due to things like gerrymandering, and the effect is probably a couple percentage point difference than what they should be. |
04-14-2020 05:52 PM
#160
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The longest serving current black Senator is Tim Scott (R). |
04-14-2020 08:23 PM
#161
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Let me help you out here: What if the reason so many shockingly underqualified white people get into powerful positions is because there is a structural affirmative action that gets them there. Hillary Clinton married into politics. Chelsea Clinton got born into it. Ivanka and Jared aren't senior advisors to the president because of their qualifications. To quote George Carlin: It's a big country club, and you're not in it. | |
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04-14-2020 08:37 PM
#162
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On the current situation of Bernie dropping out: I don't buy any of the bullshit of "the campaign has been successful... we're moving the party to the left" I expect nothing from Biden except to lose spectacularly. It would be so easy for him to adopt Bernie's most popular policies. It would cost him no votes. Instead he's going: ok huge concession because Bernie is such a great friend: lowering medicare eligibility from 65 to 60. Fuck off. | |
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04-15-2020 09:08 PM
#163
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04-15-2020 09:22 PM
#164
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So you agree that there is a power structure that overwhelmingly puts white people in positions of power, but any action to counteract that would be racism? Am I getting this right? | |
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04-15-2020 09:27 PM
#165
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04-15-2020 09:44 PM
#166
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Can you expand on what you mean by racist, and explain why it is wrong? | |
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04-15-2020 09:56 PM
#167
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"If I am elected President and have the opportunity to appoint someone to the courts, I will appoint the first black woman to the court. It is required that they have representation now; it's long overdue." |
04-15-2020 10:32 PM
#168
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Do you think it's possible to arrive at the ethnic distribution of the republican party without people being treated different because of their race? | |
Last edited by oskar; 04-15-2020 at 10:36 PM.
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04-15-2020 10:43 PM
#169
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Racism is involved in all that and more. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-15-2020 at 10:45 PM. | |
04-15-2020 10:57 PM
#170
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04-15-2020 11:02 PM
#171
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It would be nice to have a meritocracy, but that's not happening in our lifetime. I think it's a step in the right direction to proactively work towards equality of outcome until equality of opportunity can be archived. | |
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04-15-2020 11:24 PM
#172
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Totally agree. |
04-16-2020 01:44 AM
#173
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Well in a surprise twist I agree with both of you. Two wrongs don't make a right, but systemic racist exists and needs to be dealt with. Quotas are problematic, and if they're used, it should be done with great care to not just create new problems. I don't have many better options though. | |
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04-16-2020 12:03 PM
#174
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Spot on. |
04-16-2020 12:47 PM
#175
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How so? How does people saying dumb shit make "things worse for everybody." What things? | |
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04-16-2020 01:15 PM
#176
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It's a well-known flaw in democracy that it can lead to tyranny of the majority. | |
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04-16-2020 01:52 PM
#177
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It's a good question. |
04-16-2020 01:57 PM
#178
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04-16-2020 01:59 PM
#179
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"Did I get hired because I'm the best person for the job, or was it because of my skin color? Do my bosses treat me with kid gloves? Do people think I'm less good at things but treat me like I'm good at things because of my identity?" |
04-16-2020 02:33 PM
#180
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04-16-2020 02:39 PM
#181
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Why do you adhere to "What if [underrepresented minority] isn't the best for the job?" | |
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04-16-2020 02:52 PM
#182
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I thought you changed the topic to discussing the flaw of democracy because of its innate property of tyranny of the majority. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-16-2020 at 02:58 PM. | |
04-16-2020 02:54 PM
#183
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04-16-2020 03:34 PM
#184
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Why are you being so cagey? | |
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04-16-2020 03:56 PM
#185
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04-16-2020 04:11 PM
#186
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I think I framed the issue of underrepresented minorities as a threat to democracy. | |
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04-16-2020 04:28 PM
#187
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How do you find those numbers change when you get more granular in estimation? |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-16-2020 at 04:32 PM. | |
04-16-2020 06:03 PM
#188
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I don't think if a demographic that makes up 60% of the population makes up 99% of hires that you'll end up with the most qualified people. Having zero diversity in your organization doesn't mean you don't have a quota, and it certainly doesn't mean that that quota doesn't have a skin color. | |
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04-16-2020 06:14 PM
#189
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04-16-2020 09:06 PM
#190
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04-16-2020 10:04 PM
#191
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More effort than I'm willing to put in. | |
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04-17-2020 11:36 PM
#192
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04-18-2020 12:12 AM
#193
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Is that what's happening? | |
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04-18-2020 01:05 AM
#194
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Yes. |
04-18-2020 03:59 AM
#195
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On a related note, it'd be interesting to see how people would be doing right now if there were no governments coordinating response and bailing out companies. | |
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04-18-2020 11:50 AM
#196
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We'll probably never know how well anybody did during this. |
04-18-2020 12:32 PM
#197
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04-18-2020 12:36 PM
#198
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All those news stories about the IRS raids and mass incarcerations over tax fraud are really something, eh? | |
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04-18-2020 12:42 PM
#199
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Ok, so if I hire a Japanese hooker, am I being racist and sexist by choosing my hooker based on her race and gender? Should I hire an ugly hooker? Or a white one? Maybe black? How about a male hooker? Should I at least consider hiring these demographics? Should I hire a different hooker each time? | |
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04-18-2020 02:53 PM
#200
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All of those are private transactions, not public. | |
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04-18-2020 03:38 PM
#201
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04-18-2020 07:26 PM
#202
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04-18-2020 09:52 PM
#203
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You're only backing me up by saying the hotel was out of line to tell you you can't wear a beard. | |
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04-19-2020 09:15 AM
#204
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04-19-2020 09:38 AM
#205
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We're on the same page with the beards. | |
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04-19-2020 09:50 AM
#206
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The "pride in appearance" thing relates to beards, not dresses. And I do not consider it bigotry to demand professionalism. Can a female air hostess wear jeans and a band t-shirt? No. Is that bigotry? Of course not. So why should trannies be allowed to wear what an employer deems inappropriate clothing at work? | |
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04-19-2020 10:07 AM
#207
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The assertion that the female flight attendant can't wear jeans and T-shirt is a non-sequitur, because there is a uniform for that position and it isn't jeans and T-shirt. Besides, plenty of women wear jeans and T-shirt and aren't projecting male gender. | |
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04-19-2020 10:29 AM
#208
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04-19-2020 12:13 PM
#209
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How do you feel about transgender folk being allowed to compete against women in sport? This for me is a serious problem that will ultimately result in the destruction of competitive women's sport. Those born female will see no benefit to taking sport seriously as they grow up because they will lack any serious sense of ambition. Women's sport will effectively be replaced by transgender sport, and there will be significantly less public interest. | |
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04-19-2020 02:01 PM
#210
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Yes. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 04-19-2020 at 02:04 PM.
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04-19-2020 02:26 PM
#211
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I knew there was a reason I never see a goth monkey at uni! | |
04-19-2020 03:22 PM
#212
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04-21-2020 08:16 PM
#213
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04-22-2020 01:08 AM
#214
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Ah ok. Sorry, telepathy is sometimes hard. :P | |
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04-22-2020 09:20 PM
#215
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04-23-2020 02:34 PM
#216
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Wait wuf are you back? And will you play werewolf? And is that AOC? Shit why, trying to be controversial and pretend you're d0mb? | |
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04-23-2020 02:58 PM
#217
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04-23-2020 03:15 PM
#218
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Why would anyone want to stop her, she's ripping the Dems apart? Also you gotta join WW, if we can get a decent game together at least. I know you want to. You're just stuck in your house for a few more weeks anyway. | |
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04-23-2020 03:46 PM
#219
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04-23-2020 06:44 PM
#220
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04-23-2020 06:49 PM
#221
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Her marketing talents are Trump-level. |
04-23-2020 06:51 PM
#222
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Kanye is at that level, but he's not exactly "in politics". He's also potentially above that level. The man is perfecting the High Ground Maneuver like nobody else. |
04-27-2020 02:20 PM
#223
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04-27-2020 02:21 PM
#224
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04-27-2020 02:21 PM
#225
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