What will you do when Biden is President?

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What's the concrete benefit of respectable presentation between dueling politicians?

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What's the concrete benefit of respectable presentation between dueling politicians?

You know, I honestly am having trouble articulating what I mean here. I guess it's all artifice, and maybe 4K streams of live events, widespread commentary from outside the traditionally narrow channels for commentary, and who knows what else, has pulled back the curtain-- maybe JFK vs Nixon, and the disparities between reactions from radio listeners and TV viewers was the first inkling of this. Maybe the cat is out of the bag and I'm hoping to go back to something that never was-- there was always a cat, and I'll always know there's a cat in the bag even if it's put back. Maybe I just haven't revised my memories of the bag with my knowledge of the cat, so these memories seem appealing.

Honestly, idk, but nothing in politics feels genuine anymore. It all feels like reality TV. It's far worse than dramatic productions, because there is an inherent lie: you're not being asked to suspend disbelief, they're telling you there's nothing to suspend, yet on it's face you know that's not true, you know it's a put on. And inherent in the model, it's much easier to show the negative, the nasty, the petty, and near impossible to convincingly convey the role model, the heroic, the aspirational, the selfless.

Just look back to the "trash"of yesterday's entertainment. It was all about heroes, duty, rising to the occasion. It was cheesy and ham fisted, but it was filled with ideals that should be strived for. Now what are we left with?

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You know, I honestly am having trouble articulating what I mean here. I guess it's all artifice, and maybe 4K streams of live events, widespread commentary from outside the traditionally narrow channels for commentary, and who knows what else, has pulled back the curtain-- maybe JFK vs Nixon, and the disparities between reactions from radio listeners and TV viewers was the first inkling of this. Maybe the cat is out of the bag and I'm hoping to go back to something that never was-- there was always a cat, and I'll always know there's a cat in the bag even if it's put back. Maybe I just haven't revised my memories of the bag with my knowledge of the cat, so these memories seem appealing.

Honestly, idk, but nothing in politics feels genuine anymore. It all feels like reality TV. It's far worse than dramatic productions, because there is an inherent lie: you're not being asked to suspend disbelief, they're telling you there's nothing to suspend, yet on it's face you know that's not true, you know it's a put on. And inherent in the model, it's much easier to show the negative, the nasty, the petty, and near impossible to convincingly convey the role model, the heroic, the aspirational, the selfless.

Just look back to the "trash"of yesterday's entertainment. It was all about heroes, duty, rising to the occasion. It was cheesy and ham fisted, but it was filled with ideals that should be strived for. Now what are we left with?

I'm sympathetic to this. Just because one may not know how to put his finger on it, doesn't mean it's not real.

Interesting to note: what you're saying is a big reason I personally want Kanye to run. I think he has been changing his tone and messaging these last couple years so much that he could be the Hopeful leader we need for the foreseeable future.

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I'm sympathetic to this. Just because one may not know how to put his finger on it, doesn't mean it's not real.

Yeah, I'm trying to be more open in this way, instead of shoehorning in a post hoc justification.

Interesting to note: what you're saying is a big reason I personally want Kanye to run. I think he has been changing his tone and messaging these last couple years so much that he could be the Hopeful leader we need for the foreseeable future.

I absolutely don't get this. This feels like people in December '16 saying Michelle or Oprah should run in 2020. But worse.

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I absolutely don't get this. This feels like people in December '16 saying Michelle or Oprah should run in 2020. But worse.

Is it that you think there is no way he will run?

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Is it that you think there is no way he will run?

No, it's that of people that would make a very long list of potential leaders, he's got to be way down at the bottom.

If there are two life boats, one captained by him, and one captained by almost anyone else, I'm getting in Capt Anyone Else's boat. I'm sure the ride in Ye's boat is going to be way more interesting. Ye's boat probably has a better chance of getting found or making it to shore without assistance, but it also has a higher chance of capsizing.

Kanye's are great people to have in society (in a relatively limited number), but they're not leaders. The nuclear codes do not belong in their hands.

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If there are two life boats, one captained by him, and one captained by almost anyone else, I'm getting in Capt Anyone Else's boat. I'm sure the ride in Ye's boat is going to be way more interesting. Ye's boat probably has a better chance of getting found or making it to shore without assistance, but it also has a higher chance of capsizing.

Thanks for the hilarious image.

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Kanye's are great people to have in society (in a relatively limited number), but they're not leaders.

I think he's a great leader (or has become one, rather). But shifting into politics might be a waste of his leadership, for sure.