Who am I voting for? (Poll)

[spoonitnow]

I'll let FTR choose who I vote for in the presidential election.

[mrhappy333]

Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

[will641]

this is such a stupid thread, because you want to vote for obama, and you know that ftr is overwhelmingly liberal, so there is basically no way won't vote for mccain.

[wufwugy]

for every person who votes neocon i go on lifetilt

[Deuce Blue]

Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

And you think this why??? Because he's a dem???

Unless you want all that money you make spoon going to taxes so lazy ass Americans can have health care vote McCain.

[wufwugy]

Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

And you think this why??? Because he's a dem???

Unless you want all that money you make spoon going to taxes so lazy ass Americans can have health care vote McCain.

or not

realize this: everything neocons say is wrong.

thank me later

[BankItDrew]

I was at a Wendy's restaurant at 2am last night just before they closed. There were a group of young adults with one girl in particular who seemed a bit off kilter. Anyways, she was being loud and obnoxious towards everyone, berating them with questions like, "Obama or McCain?" Then she'd start yelling, "Vote Obama, vote Obama!"

I got the feeling she had no idea what policies were held on either side but rather she fell into this group of people who are bias based on their emotional attachment to this man. He presents extremely well - a major reason for JFK winning the election over Richard Nixon in 1960.

[Deuce Blue]

Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

And you think this why??? Because he's a dem???

Unless you want all that money you make spoon going to taxes so lazy ass Americans can have health care vote McCain.

or not

realize this: everything neocons say is wrong.

thank me later

Really Spoon, I just hope you really take the time to find out each canidates view on everything and make the choice you actually feel is best for this country. Republican/Democrat shit aside. This is an important one I think.

[spoonitnow]

Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

And you think this why??? Because he's a dem???

Unless you want all that money you make spoon going to taxes so lazy ass Americans can have health care vote McCain.

Or online poker could be illegal and then I don't make any money.

[poker_pup]

mrhappy333 wrote:
Obama, PRO POKER, OBV choice

What exactly has Obama done or said to indicate that he is "pro poker"?

I'd be more than willing to vote for a candidate who is PRO POKER.

[mrhappy333]

http://www.gambling911.com/Barack-Ob...er-021307.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/....ap/index.html


http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...ker092407.stng

[poker_pup]

mrhappy333 Posted: Sat, 30 Aug 2008, 10:43pm

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http://www.gambling911.com/Barack-Ob...er-021307.html

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/....ap/index.html


http://www.suntimes.com/news/politic...ker092407.stng

Playing in a weekly small stakes poker game is no indication that Obama supports our freedom to play online poker. In fact, Obama repeatedly voted against expanding legal gambling in Illinois. One of the articles cited even says it's UNLIKELY he will support online poker.

Best of my knowledge, the only candidate that supports our freedom to play online poker is Bob Barr. Barr is the Libertarian party candidate and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning

[Jack Sawyer]

Best of my knowledge, the only candidate that supports our freedom to play online poker is RON MOTHER FUCKING PAUL. PAUL is A REPUBLICAN party candidate and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning BECAUSE WE BRAINLESS IDIOTS JUST ARBITRARILY DECIDED HE MUST HAVE BEEN SMOKING SOMETHING [HEAVILY INFLUENCED (EVEN THOUGH WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE WERE OF COURSE) BY WHATEVER BULLSHIT THE MEDIA, WHO HAD A DECIDED AND OBVIOUS AGENDA, WOULD FEED US] AND NEVER TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY

FYP

[d0zer]

Best of my knowledge, the only candidate that supports our freedom to play online poker is RON MOTHER FUCKING PAUL. PAUL is A REPUBLICAN party candidate and doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning BECAUSE WE BRAINLESS IDIOTS JUST ARBITRARILY DECIDED HE MUST HAVE BEEN SMOKING SOMETHING [HEAVILY INFLUENCED (EVEN THOUGH WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE FACT THAT WE WERE OF COURSE) BY WHATEVER BULLSHIT THE MEDIA, WHO HAD A DECIDED AND OBVIOUS AGENDA, WOULD FEED US] AND NEVER TOOK HIM SERIOUSLY

FYP

QFT. There was a very deliberate smear campaign against ron paul in the media.

Why? Cause he wouldn't play ball with the monies that run the show.

It's so cute when Americans believe they're a shining example of freedom and democracy when they have the 'freedom' to choose between two barely different parties controlled by largely the same special interest groups.

Small wonder voter apathy has almost taken over to the point where it's tough to get half the eligibles out.

[wufwugy]

the ron paul issue is explained by the media, just like how most political issues can be explained by the affects provoked by the media. whatever the spin zone says half the country believes it verbatim.

wrt poker, obama is the good choice. in fact, he's as good a choice for poker as ron paul would be. the fact that he has not come out for poker doesnt matter because his only power as president on this issue is veto power and he will go with what the dems want. its the dems of house and senate that will get good bills passed and a dem prez will not veto it.

a vote for mccain is with zero question a vote for illegal internet pokering because he WILL veto a positive poker bill simply because its what his base wants.

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

[Jack Sawyer]

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

also very true

[d0zer]

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

That's funny given that most people are admittedly partisan & will vote for the same party election after election.

[gabe]

1 vote doesnt matter!!

[a500lbgorilla]

mine does

[spoonitnow]

I think I tricked people into telling me who they were voting for if they were voting.

[will641]

like you didnt know who almost everyone was voting for anyways?

[bigred]

I think I tricked people into telling me who they were voting for if they were voting.

omg ur so tricky

[Deanglow]

ill take a guy who says he enjoys playing poker over a guy who says he doesn't know how to use a computer any day

[a500lbgorilla]

Won't somebody think about the children!

[spoonitnow]

ill take a guy who says he enjoys playing poker over a guy who says he doesn't know how to use a computer any day

[wufwugy]

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

That's funny given that most people are admittedly partisan & will vote for the same party election after election.

good point. however there are other reasons for why this is.

i wont get into it because im sure nobody cares

[Deanglow]

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

That's funny given that most people are admittedly partisan & will vote for the same party election after election.

good point. however there are other reasons for why this is.

i wont get into it because im sure nobody cares

I don't think this is true. Republicans have changed drastically in the past 8 years. There is no longer a conservative party in the United States. The president is who he surrounds himself with. Bush did not make good choices.

[wufwugy]

how have they changed?

[will641]

people dont seem to realize that most of politics isnt so much this candidate or that candidate, but this party or that party.

That's funny given that most people are admittedly partisan & will vote for the same party election after election.

good point. however there are other reasons for why this is.

i wont get into it because im sure nobody cares

I don't think this is true. Republicans have changed drastically in the past 8 years. There is no longer a conservative party in the United States. The president is who he surrounds himself with. Bush did not make good choices.

here is how they have changed: most, not all, are just interested in keeping their seats, and do what dems do essentially. spend money and appeal to special interest groups.

[Deanglow]

how have they changed?

spending and deficit, preemptive war, intrusion into personal freedoms for both national security and misguided religious reasons, more bureaucracy, increasing federal control over education

not conservative values

[Warpe]

1 vote doesnt matter!!

I doubt Al Gore or George W. Bush would agree with you.

[spoonitnow]

1 vote doesnt matter!!

I doubt Al Gore or George W. Bush would agree with you since it's rigged anyway.

[CoccoBill]

There is no longer a conservative party in the United States.

Funny. I would describe the United States as having a conservative right wing party, and a very conservative right wing party.

[spoonitnow]

There is no longer a conservative party in the United States.

Funny. I would describe the United States as having a conservative right wing party, and a very conservative right wing party.

Our conservatives typically held views that limited government expansion, and both parties are like omg huge government now.

[mixchange]

Conservatives really have blown the economy. Clinton didn't really do anything, but the republican idea heralded originally by Laffer that somehow cutting taxes would increase government revenue has been a clear failure that has a lot to do with the devaluation of the dollar. Boo. I am sick of republicans taking out loans and calling them "tax cuts". Somehow much of the public is OK with massive deficit spending. I'm not saying the Dem's are good with the economy (not at all, Clinton for example had the opportunity to--gasp--save or invest for our future, the correct Keynesian move) but wow did Bush Sr. and Reagan fuck us.

[wufwugy]

how have they changed?

spending and deficit, preemptive war, intrusion into personal freedoms for both national security and misguided religious reasons, more bureaucracy, increasing federal control over education

not conservative values

i know basically nothing about political history, but i hear tell that these changes were in progress long before W

[dick_pump]

this should help you out...


2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS



ISSUE

JOHN McCAIN ..j

BARAK OBAMA ..b


Favors new drilling offshore US

Yes ...... j

No .......... b


Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it

Yes ........... j

No .......... b


Served in the US Armed Forces

Yes ........ j

No ........ b


Amount of time served in the US Senate

22 YEARS ....... j

173 DAYS ....... b


Will institute a socialized national health care plan

No ....... j

Yes ....... b


Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy

No ....... j

Yes ....... b


Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately

No ....... j

Yes ....... b


Supports gun ownership rights

Yes ....... j

No ....... b


Supports homosexual marriage

No ....... j

Yes ....... b


Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase

No ....... j

Yes ....... b


Voted against making English the official language

No ....... j

Yes ...... b


Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals

No ....... j

Yes ....... b

.................................................. .................................................. ......


CAPITAL GAINS TAX


McCAIN

0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples).


McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.


OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales.


How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community,


28% of the money you make from your home sale will go to taxes.


This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on income from their homes as part of their retirement income.


.................................................. .................................................. ......

DIVIDEND TAX


McCAIN

15% (no change)


OBAMA

39.6%


How will this affect you? If you have money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.'


.................................................. .................................................. .....

INCOME TAX


McCAIN
(No changes)

Income Tax


Single, 30K $ 4,500
Single, 50K $12,500
Single, 75K $18,750
Married, 60K $ 9,000
Married, 75K $18,750
Married, 125K $31,250


OBAMA


(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single, 30K $ 8,400
Single, 50K $14,000
Single, 75K $23,250
Married, 60K $16,800
Married, 75K $21,000
Married, 125K $38,75

Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!


.................................................. .................................................. ......

INHERITANCE TAX


McCAIN

- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)


OBAMA

Restore the inheritance tax


Many families lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will lose them to these taxes.

.................................................. .................................................. ......

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA


New government taxes proposed on homes more than 2,400 square feet.


New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)


New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)


New taxes on retirement accounts.

.................................................. .................................................. .....

You can verify the above at following web sites:

http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/e...008/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/iss...ues.taxes.html

http://elections.foxnews.com/?s=proposed+taxes
http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourworld/p..._on_taxes.html

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-.../barack_obama/
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-...s/john_mccain/

[spoonitnow]

McCain is clearly an idiot. For Obama this hasn't been proven so much.

[BennyLaRue]

this should help you out...


2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

Meh. That twists more than Tune in Tokyo.

[ProZachNation]

Isn't this illegal?

[BankItDrew]

Old, Grizzled Third-Party Candidate Threatens McCain's Base
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqktCdX0hs

[ProZachNation]

I trust the Onion more than most tv news