Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
Nature doesn't 'care' about doing things right, it 'cares' about simply being better than the competition, and that's all
I think this is very hard to factually argue either way, but I'll agree to disagree on this point.
I think, judging by the quotes, wuf meant that as an analogy. Nature doesn't "want" anything, it just is. To describe the processes of evolution using deliberate purposefulness as an analogy can be an easier way to discuss them. This is simply "survival of the fittest", the ones with beneficial traits tend to survive and prosper over ones without them, making it seem like nature wanted that to happen. This has very vividly been explained by evolution theory, and I don't think there's much disagreement about it in the scientific community.

Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
It's no coincidence that the happiest societies on the planet are also the most socialist i.e. have the government made up of mostly its people and regulates to value the community as a whole
I think this is where I radically differ from a lot of people: I don't think the fact that people are happy is necessarily a good thing. If a child throws a tantrum every time he doesn't get fed chocolate, so his mother gives him chocolate any time he wants, the kid will probably be happy given most scales. To me, happiness is something that is earned, not given. I would'nt want someone to be happy if they were not the ones creating it through a high level of understanding. Fuck, I'm sure a homeless man would be happy if he won 7 million dollars, but I don't think anyone is arguing this is something that is fantastic and should be praised. If you do think this, again, I'll agree to disagree.
You seem to equate happiness with material possessions and wealth, personally I disagree with this notion strongly. If you go to some of the poorest areas on the planet, for example Africa, India or the slums of Manila, you'll notice a striking thing; people who live with $2 a day are generally happy and able to enjoy their lives, they're helpful and willing to share from the very little they have. Compare this to upper class westerners with 10 times more material wealth than they'll ever need and going to therapy twice a week because of stress and depression. Anecdotal and corny, yes, but maybe something to consider.

Personally I think everyone should be able to be happy, to have basic security, education, healthcare and a fair standard of living, in fact these should be the first and foremost priority of any society.