Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
This is refuted by the myriads of oppressed peoples governed by special interests. Also, just take the whole housing crisis as an example. This entire thing is a fantastic example of special interests exploiting the system and screwing the populous. Part of how the banks did this was by pretending to give the public something they valued. As it turns out, it was a lie, and in fact it was such a lie that we got double fucked by having to support those very same special interests in order to keep the entire system from collapsing. They basically ran off with our money then came back with big ass guns they bought with our money telling us that they need more money and on top of that that which we bought from them systematically lost so much value as to put us into more negative territory than if we'd never bought it in the first place
I think this is a fantastic victimization of the American people. Banks pretended to give the public something of value? Thats the problem? The problem is that people got loans they could not pay. How they ended up getting those loans or why they decided to is their responsibility. If you feel like the populous can be that easily manipulated and shouldn't be responsible for making decisions like whether or not they can afford "x" house, than I totally understand why you would think the government is a total necessity.

And this is how private industry operates, and it fucks a whole lot of people over due to exacerbating inequalities. We live in a world with a billion people starving everyday, yet there is more than ample supply to feed them. Following the money and private interests will reveal why these people live on less than 1$ a day.
I'm really glad you brought this point up because I think its a great example of the collective results of peoples values. I think the reason people are starving everyday is because other people don't value everyone in the world having enough food to eat. Let me ask you this: Do you donate money to a fund or organization that in some way helps create a world where everyone has enough to eat? Maybe you do, and thats great. Do you work for an organization that does that? I assume no but then again I wouldn't expect a lot of people to.

What are these "exacerbating inequalities" you speak of? If your referring to money: How do you think the CEO of Big Screen TV's got rich? It's because people not only value Big Screen TV's, they valued the producers of those big screen TV, they valued the CEO. If they were totally ignorant about it, I just don't see why we should reward their idiocy. Money means a shitload more than people think it does. Its not some evil symbol. Money is a direct representation of your values. i.e. I chose to spend a lot of money on clothes, because I value clothes. A man decides to devout his time and give his money to a church because he values the church. Now to say that a man does not give his time and effort to putting food on a starving mans plate, but he does value it? That doesn't make any sense to me. The solution to world hunger is in the hands of the people. Now lets say some rich people do not care that others that are starving are fed: Do we force them to support this cause?

I completely agree, yet the fucked up thing is that reality itself is geared towards inequality, and not regulating this creates a social paradigm where some humans are born into rich upper class and others are born in Liberia. It is disingenuous to suggest that people should not get things they don't deserve yet support a perpetuation of a society that distributes resources unequally thus giving people things they don't deserve.
Yes I agree. Why should Wal-Mart pay massive taxes to support people who have not earned as much money by giving them tax refunds? Please explain where resources are being unequally distributed, and I'll tell you my likely answer to your response before hand so we aren't wasting any time. I am betting that this "inequal distribution," the people being "exploited," are responsible for their exploitation. Tell me that they did not make the decisions that created this "inequality."

If you value a society that doesn't have a rich upper class because some people are born into it to inherit riches, I can think of many ways without a government you can help make this happen. One would be to shop at all Mom and Pop stores. And don't just choose one, choose a multitude of them. If you buy one brand of paper towels one day, by a different one the other day. Distribute the wealth.