WTF AHHHHHHHH

[flomo]

sorry wil
keep your head up

In my case I hope that was a chip dumping but that was impossible to proof...Im really sure that A employer of PS stole my money.... Sorry men I know what are you feeling...I started 7 months later in low stakes and now I have 13.3k

holy crap! i bet the same PS employee stole both of your monies.
that is worse than the absolute poker thing
so fucking rigged

i just saw the hand history and it looks like a fellow FTRer is playing at that table
he was supposed to be in europe, maybe he was in spain
this is all so rigged

PokerplayeRz
i feel for you man, you should try contacting stars again and see if they can get that employye behind bars

[will641]

wow thanks a lot irish for that draft. i really appreciate that, and i also really appreciate you guys' support.

[PokerSwede]

Oh yeah guys btw if you're doing some spring cleaning today, go get Firefox 3 beta 5. AFAIK it greatly reduces the chances of something getting onto your computer just from visiting rogue websites alone.

Other things to get is -

- A good anti-virus program. I use BitDefender at it works awesome, doesn't slow down the PC or anything that some programs might do.

- AdAware, for removing adware and shit like that (spyware, etc etc. crap you get from visiting websites)

- Spybot, for removing spyware, trojans and other software that wants to know what you're doing.

- There's also PeerGuardian which stops people/or IP addresses rather to get into your computer. Maybe not necessary but it can stop people from hacking into your computer...

[Numbr2intheWorld]

wow irish awesome draft Will you should definitely use that. I think you could definitely get some sympathy from some regs.

[PokerSwede]

And I'm very sad to hear about what has happened. I hope and am sure that you'll recover!

And very well written Irish, even though I'm by far no expert in the english language but it looks very good and professional!

[kapilalink]

Willy boy. Lets go to Spain with some baseball bats and nun-chucks. Fucking rediculous.

[swiggidy]

Oh yeah guys btw if you're doing some spring cleaning today, go get Firefox 3 beta 5. AFAIK it greatly reduces the chances of something getting onto your computer just from visiting rogue websites alone.

Other things to get is -

- A good anti-virus program. I use BitDefender at it works awesome, doesn't slow down the PC or anything that some programs might do.

- AdAware, for removing adware and shit like that (spyware, etc etc. crap you get from visiting websites)

- Spybot, for removing spyware, trojans and other software that wants to know what you're doing.

- There's also PeerGuardian which stops people/or IP addresses rather to get into your computer. Maybe not necessary but it can stop people from hacking into your computer...

AFAIK the spyware programs don't remove anything dangerous, it's stuff that's mostly annoying. The dangerous stuff is too smart for them.

Anyway, this sucks balls. If you have any questions about cleaning up your puter will I'd be happy to do what I can to help.

GL rebuilding (not that you need it).

[aka_red]

If you have any questions about cleaning up your puter will I'd be happy to do what I can to help.

what do you reccomend is used to prevent this type of thing from happening to you

[badgers]

Fucked up shit.

I'm going to email stars and bitch tomorrow. There is no way they should have let them cash out if this was chipdumped. I wouldn't care that much if every time i tried to cash out there was a 48 hour cooling off period or something to stop this happening. Obviously it's too late for you but I feel the need to do something to make my roll seem more secure after this.

BEST OF LUCK WILL. This is insane and you must be going through hell.

[meeloche]

they didn't cash it out they just lost it at the tables

[Miffed22001]

I don think it would do any harm for one of the computer guys on here to write a sticky about protecting your computer etc etc

Most of us only have bits of knowledge like what programs to get etc

[Halv]

Seems very unlikely that they'd go to this length just to donk off they money. Probably trying to luckbox it up to like 50k before dumping it across different accounts?

[bode]

I don think it would do any harm for one of the computer guys on here to write a sticky about protecting your computer etc etc

Most of us only have bits of knowledge like what programs to get etc

it seems like P5's had a really good comprehensive article sometime last year that was posted and was like the gospel for that kind of shit. i cant look for it atm, but ill try to find a link sometime today.

[The Odds God]

I am so pissed off at this. I mean you shouln't give up on it. They shouldn't let winners of those pots cashout, no one who played at that table should cashout until investigation is done and it should be a big investigation. It seems like Stars are ignorant about this and this pisses me off. I mean I might not know what I am talking about, but this is a big thing and I think they should do more about it than they do. I always trusted at their support and I am not sure about it right now.

You got any updates on this?

[WillburForce]

just read the whole thread for the first time. This suck big time. Feel for ya Will. GL getting that bankroll back.

Like everyone else this is a bit of wake up call about my comp security - any stickies or info about best way to protect is much appreciated.

As for those Spanish fuckers I hope they get a horrible disease and die a painful death the c*nts.

[taipan168]

Will, I just saw this thread. That really sucks and I'm really sorry to hear what happened and best of luck with getting your money back.

[drmcboy]

gl will.

[will641]

I am so pissed off at this. I mean you shouln't give up on it. They shouldn't let winners of those pots cashout, no one who played at that table should cashout until investigation is done and it should be a big investigation. It seems like Stars are ignorant about this and this pisses me off. I mean I might not know what I am talking about, but this is a big thing and I think they should do more about it than they do. I always trusted at their support and I am not sure about it right now.

You got any updates on this?

not really to speak of. i pm'ed a mod on 2p2 about that letter jack wrote, and i havent heard back. but now, my email doesnt fucking work, so i dont have any way of contacting poker stars. maybe if everyone sends poker stars frustration mail, they will cave and give some back. something like:

Hi, it has come to my attention that one of my fellow poker players, 'will641' got his account hacked into early on April 16, 2008. It has also come to my attention that you guys have not done your job in trying to recover his money. The entire poker community is feeling pretty outraged about this, and is continuing to get concern about how safe their money really is on your site. I think if you don't take any action towards at least recovering some of his money, I think you will notice a decrease in regular players on your site, as they fear the same might happen to them, and if/when it does happen, they can be fairly sure now that you won't take any responsibility for it, or reach out of your own pocket to help a player who has been playing on your site, and will continue to do so.

[SaulPaul]

P5's recommended SnoopFree Privacy Shield in that thread a year ago., i think its pretty good

[Ltrain]

gl will. One option would be to hire an investigator or attorney in Spain to run some background checks on these guys from the information you have. The police may not do much at first, but if presented by substantial information by a local professional, they may change their mind. A little money paid for further investigation can go a long way; possibly to recovery or reparations, but definitely to justice.

Since the criminals have posted here and are likely lurking the thread, be advised that your actions will not be forgotten and I am sure people will be working without your knowledge to put you in jail or possibly worse. You will always need to look over your shoulder from now on to see if you are being monitored. You will never be at peace. Good luck sleeping at night until you are caught for what you have done.

[Pythonic]

Will, I sent the response you wrote to PS Support.

[Warpe]

I am so pissed off at this. I mean you shouln't give up on it. They shouldn't let winners of those pots cashout, no one who played at that table should cashout until investigation is done and it should be a big investigation. It seems like Stars are ignorant about this and this pisses me off. I mean I might not know what I am talking about, but this is a big thing and I think they should do more about it than they do. I always trusted at their support and I am not sure about it right now.

You got any updates on this?

not really to speak of. i pm'ed a mod on 2p2 about that letter jack wrote, and i havent heard back. but now, my email doesnt fucking work, so i dont have any way of contacting poker stars. maybe if everyone sends poker stars frustration mail, they will cave and give some back. something like:

Hi, it has come to my attention that one of my fellow poker players, 'will641' got his account hacked into early on April 16, 2008. It has also come to my attention that you guys have not done your job in trying to recover his money. The entire poker community is feeling pretty outraged about this, and is continuing to get concern about how safe their money really is on your site. I think if you don't take any action towards at least recovering some of his money, I think you will notice a decrease in regular players on your site, as they fear the same might happen to them, and if/when it does happen, they can be fairly sure now that you won't take any responsibility for it, or reach out of your own pocket to help a player who has been playing on your site, and will continue to do so.

PokerStars position will be that it's the player's reponsibility to protect his password etc. yadda yadda yadda...

Nevertheless, I think they could put some additional precautions in place, esp when an account fires up from an IP address on the other side of the world than what it was logged-in from previously. I'm gonna work on a draft letter that can be sent to PokerStars.

Will, get your PC reformatted pronto. For all you know they could still be accessing your computer.

[will641]

gl will. One option would be to hire an investigator or attorney in Spain to run some background checks on these guys from the information you have. The police may not do much at first, but if presented by substantial information by a local professional, they may change their mind. A little money paid for further investigation can go a long way; possibly to recovery or reparations, but definitely to justice.

Since the criminals have posted here and are likely lurking the thread, be advised that your actions will not be forgotten and I am sure people will be working without your knowledge to put you in jail or possibly worse. You will always need to look over your shoulder from now on to see if you are being monitored. You will never be at peace. Good luck sleeping at night until you are caught for what you have done.

heres how helpful poker stars is...they say they cant give me any personal information for privacy reasons. its like, mother fucker, i am the fucking victim, these guys broke the law, and broke your agreement, they shouldnt get any fucking privacy rights.

I don think it would do any harm for one of the computer guys on here to write a sticky about protecting your computer etc etc

Most of us only have bits of knowledge like what programs to get etc

http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35407

[The Odds God]

in today's stupid law, criminals have more rights than victims. Fuck them. Those stupid stars act like they don't fucking care.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think Poker Stars needs to seriously consider enhancing their very good security because of this issue. Players should at least have the option of only allowing play from this account from either certain IPs or certain cities. I think certain cities is a very good option for people who travel a lot, especially given a lot of this shit happens out of the country.

[Silly String]

Holy shit man, I am so sorry to hear this. I will help by sending emails to support or chip off some for BR recovery if needed. I just can't believe this, so sorry!

Anyone else find it funny that I would be chipping off some BR to a guy who is then going to use it to pwn me at my own level?

[drmcboy]

It has come to my attention that one of my fellow poker players, 'will641' got his account hacked into early on April 16, 2008. The response from Stars support was that he should try and recover the money himself. The entire poker community is outraged about this, and there is growing concern about how safe their money really is on your site. If you don't take any action towards recovering his money, higher stakes players may move to other sites. They fear the same might happen to them, and now they can all see the lack of support they will get from Stars if it does.


Edited to read a little better.

[will641]

warpe, for the computer illiterate, how exactly does one reformat their HD. do you just back up anything you want to keep, and systematically delete your entire HD? and then uninstall windows, then reinstall it? or is there a more efficient way of doing this.

[will641]

idk im still kind of partisan to kapila's idea of going there with bats and nun-chucks. maybe sauce123 is still over there and can take care of it for me

[will641]

It has come to my attention that one of my fellow poker players, 'will641' got his account hacked into early on April 16, 2008. The response from Stars support was that he should try and recover the money himself. The entire poker community is outraged about this, and there is growing concern about how safe their money really is on your site. If you don't take any action towards recovering his money, higher stakes players may move to other sites. They fear the same might happen to them, and now they can all see the lack of support they will get from Stars if it does.


Edited to read a little better.

yeah this is def better. i was trying to make it not seem like a threat or blackmail, but its kind of hard, especially when you are the one who got RAPED IN THE BUTTT. THESE HACKERS WILL RAPE YOU IN THE BUTT. IN THE BUTTTTTT!!!

[WillburForce]

i'll send an email when I get home - though I'm not sure they'll take much notice from a lowish stakes player like me.

the more i think about this, the more it pisses me off. Stars should just give you the money back, or at least some of it - its obvious you've been hacked and its not as if they don't make enough money from players like yourself.

[jyms]

does anyone have a spare machine they can check this out on and find the program that may be at fault by downloading ?

[The Odds God]

so those of you who investigated this - was it chip dumping or not? were they really stupid enough to just lose it at the tables? I can't imagine that a hacker would be so stupid.

[will641]

so those of you who investigated this - was it chip dumping or not? were they really stupid enough to just lose it at the tables? I can't imagine that a hacker would be so stupid.

the "hand reading expert" at pokerstars looked at it for hours, and concluded there was no chip dumping, therefore they cant retrieve any of my money.

the way i see it, is that most virus' are just out of pure maliciousness, so it does seem very possible that they just did this to rape me in the butt. its also possible that maybe this guy actually does have some regs in his pocket, and reg at those stakes would probably be excellent at disguising it, and pokerstars will most likely look the other way if a high stakes reg is questionably dumping. but then that begs the question, why would a high stakes reg risk his career and reputation over 13k

[bigspenda73]

that slowplayed JJ hand was lol obv imo

how is that not blatant variance-reducing chip dumping?

[The Odds God]

I will send this to stars. I suck at english, but who cares.

"Hi! I am sending this mail because my friend's account (will641) got hacked. Me and the community of players at flopturnriver.com are very dissapointed with the way you handle the issue. You don't seem to care at all. It might be his fault and I understand that he is the one who is responsible for his money, but this happened at your site and you should at least help him with investigation and try to recover some of his money. 13K might not be much to you, but for ordinary people this is a lot of money and this guy worked hard on his game to make that money. This is also not good for reputation of your site. I love your site and in poker community you are known for having the best support of all poker sites, this is one of the reasons why I choose to play at your site, but I might change my mind if you don't do anything about this and I am not the only one. This is a big problem, but you don't seem to do anything. You also said that you can't give him any personal information for privacy reasons. You should note that he is the victim here and I don't think it is right that criminals have more rights than the victim. You should protect a victim, not the criminal. This is also not only his problem, but the problem of all poker players who play at your site or at any other site, so you should definitely investigate this a bit more. You can't pretend like nothing happened.

I love your site otherwise. Keep doing a good work."

So I sended this. It is probably a piece of garbage, but who cares, have to send something.

[ProZachNation]

I think it is very irresponsible to the point of being negligent that Pstars and other poker sites don't have the option to set IP addresses that can access your account. I mean I know on some message boards admins can set there account to only be accessed form their ip... so it can not be hard for a poker site to implement this kind of technology.

At the very least like how when you use your credit card out of state getting gas and they call you. Same should be done if you log off for the night and log back on 2k miles away in a few hours. Something is going on.

[The Odds God]

ProZach, this might actually be possible if you request that you can only log in on your IP. I heard back in the golden days of Party Poker some guy on party did that.

[Halv]

I'm gonna sound like an asshole now: I don't think stars should reimburse the lost 13k, it is the responsibility of the player to secure his computer. Now, if the crackers had actually broken into the stars software then that's another thing completely.

With that said, there are obvious things that could be done by the poker sites. Blocking IP's from across the world is one of them. Secondary codes (ie from an electronic device or just a list of use-once codes) is another.

Btw, if you keep your account logged 24/7, it won't be possible for outsiders to access it, right?

[Warpe]

Btw, if you keep your account logged 24/7, it won't be possible for outsiders to access it, right?

...assuming they don't get remote control of your computer, which can be done.

[Pythonic]

Who here wants to stop playing online or keep 90% of their roll off the sites? Geesh!

[Warpe]

If you have any questions about cleaning up your puter will I'd be happy to do what I can to help.

what do you reccomend is used to prevent this type of thing from happening to you

New Computer Security Primer post in tools:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...er-t69797.html

Personally, I use ZoneAlarm Security suite (anti-virus/anti-spyware/software firewall) plus a physical firewall (router), have Windows XP set to auto update, switched to Firefox as a browser and have IM security set on highest in the software firewall so that it can't receive files. All I can think of right now.

[Silly String]

Privacy rights have a hell of a lot more to do with PokerStars getting sued by the criminal/thief than it does with protecting said criminal.
By giving out personal information they could be breaching multiple laws like the Fair Credit Reporting Act & opening themselves up to million dollar lawsuits.
Suppose Will finds this guy with PStars help and kills him or at the least severely cripples him(I know I would want to if it were my money), then that criminals' heirs are going to sue Pstars for millions. Fair, probably not. Legal responsibility, definitely. Ask anyone in the financial/insurance industries to what extent their companies go to to protect personal information. Millions of dollars in settlements and legal fees depend upon this protection of identification. PStars can't just give this degen criminal's personal information out. It sux, I know.

[will641]

i just need to get diplomatic immunity son!

[The Odds God]

i just need to get diplomatic immunity son!

lol

yeah, silly, I forgot about that for a moment (and I am a law student, shame on me). But this sucks so bad. My point was just that they should do something, not just say like you should say when you suffer a beat: "yeah, it sucks, that's poker."

Who here wants to stop playing online or keep 90% of their roll off the sites? Geesh!

I took 75% of my roll off PokerStars last night and am now keeping that in a secure savings account.

[tom]

I'm not sure how well this applies but it could offer some ideas on out of nation dealings:
a few years ago I went on vacation with my parents to Cozumel, long story short my dad got convinced to buy into a time share. After paying like 2000 down payment and signing contracts my parents realized there was some bullshit in there that made whatever the deal was not nearly as spectacular as it was made out to be. Whatever it was, they wanted out, but we had to leave- vacation was over. After we got back to the states my mom started calling people. Lawyers based in the area of the business, the US consulate(or some form of US official living there), etc, and started basically getting as much information as she could, then communicating back to the business what steps she was taking in suing them basically.

After enough harassment/threats of suing they realized she was for real and didn't want to mess with it, they gave all the money back and did exactly what she wanted(probably would have danced for her if she asked).

Obviously this is a different type of case BUT it seems like a fantastic idea to talk to a US consulate in the Spain area and find out what your options are. Pokerstars will have to give information on the guys if the plan is suing them, which seems(with my very little knowledge of law) well within your rights.

[deacon_bluez]

My history its same....I win a tournament at PS....21k$....Next day my account has 1$....Someone was playing in 25NL tables...I sent a mail to PS, but they answered me with questions...2 mails...3....Finally 2 months later they said me that was my responsability the security of my account and they cant do anything....I went to the police and 6 months later I went to court and I Lost....I lost another 3000$ by my Attorney and court.....
My advice is that all must retire the money of the rooms....
Sorry for my english im German

This is no doubt the same guy that started the "poker is fixed" thread a couple months ago that had so much dispute. Same broken English. Same prolific use of ellipses. And same bottom line message: "all must retire the money of the rooms...."

Just the same, this is a scary thread. I know when I play next I'm changing my password to something heavily alphanumeric and randomish.

[jyms]

if you have a keylogger installed they will record the change in PW, you need a clean machine

[Halv]

Downloading KeePass would probably be helpful.

Beware that the auto-type functionality isn't keylogger safe - you'll need to use drag n drop or copy paste for that (I just discovered this today )

edit: changed wording, link was eaten by the antispam filter so just google it (Im assuming it was a false positive )

[Dislexsik]

Wow....reading this scares the hell out of me.Hope it turns out well dude.
Makes me want to cash out and have only like 8-10 buy ins max online.

[mrickett]

I think Poker Stars needs to seriously consider enhancing their very good security because of this issue. Players should at least have the option of only allowing play from this account from either certain IPs or certain cities. I think certain cities is a very good option for people who travel a lot, especially given a lot of this shit happens out of the country.

That type of functionality is suchhh a good idea actually... If the majority of players took advantage of something like that (if it were available) it would render so many scamming techniques ineffective.

will if you don't know much about techy stuff you should take your computer to a shop and they could back your HD up and format it for like 50 bucks if you find the right place.

[Irisheyes]

Downloading KeePass would probably be helpful.

Beware that the auto-type functionality isn't keylogger safe - you'll need to use drag n drop or copy paste for that (I just discovered this today )

edit: changed wording, link was eaten by the antispam filter so just google it (Im assuming it was a false positive )

Wait really? So if I use the auto-type function to enter all my passwords they still get registered as keystrokes!!????

[Halv]

Yeah, or at least in keepass 1.x which Im using. I didnt realize that either. Dragndrop and clipboard are relatively safe though.

2.x apparently uses some pretty cool obfuscating methods to auto-type, so that should be safe.

Have a look at the FAQ page and search for "keylogger".

[Pythonic]

Got a response from PS Support from a letter I sent them about persusing trying to retrieve Will's funds.

Thank you for contacting us in regards to your concern.
>
> We would like to invite you to visit
> http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/tos to refer to point 9 of our Terms
> of Service where we specify our commitment to Security and Your Account.
>
> In addition, please note that our players' account security is vital to
> us.
>
> While we cannot refer to your friend's specific case in detail due to our
> internal policies, we can assure you that we are willing to do whatever is
> in our hands and reach to assist any player at any given time.
>
> Please feel free to contact us back anytime you might require any
> assistance, and thank you for choosing PokerStars!
>
> Regards,
>
> Angelica
> PokerStars Support Team


So I responded with this:

I appreciate your response back but shouldn't there be some type of precautionary countermeasures taken in the future to not allow usernames play from different IP addresses or jumping up 3 or 4 levels at a time. Don't these things seem fishy to PokerStars? Doesn't PokerStars want to do all they can to protect their assets, meaning "us" the players?

[will641]

i think what you guys want to be doing is emailing [email protected], instead of support, but either one probably works.

[Warpe]

I got skillz

Hello XXXX,

Thank you for your email.

The issue has been escalated to management, I have forwarded your
email/suggestions to my manager who will get in contact with you as soon as possible.

Regards,

GusM
PokerStars Security Team

[The Odds God]

I got the same message a cople hours ago

[will641]

sweet, good job guys.

[bigspenda73]

I sent a long-winded email to Stars security, I would help everyone else would do the same.

[meeloche]

I just sent a email as well, hopefully we can get a formal response outlining what steps they are taking to prevent this from happening again.

[nutsinho]

im so sorry will
this makes me feel so sick, don't want to play online poker anymore

[ProZachNation]

I sent an email

[Schiplt]

same

[Bailey9999]

Will, did you say you can't access your email? Is it because the password is changed or another reason?

Also, regarding being able to specify what IP ranges can access your account.
I don't see this helping at all. What would happen if you went on vacation and wanted to play poker online? You'd probably have some sort of way to add your new IP to the list of allowed IPs right? Well, if a hacker was able to obtain your user and password he too would be able to add his IP to the allowed list.

Unfortunately theres really nothing pokerstars can do to make the site more secure in a case like this. If someone gets your password, they have all access.. the same thing applies to online banking or anything like that.

Actually... SunPoker has some good security. I don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else can recall the details). But they did something, where you can only login on the computer you orginally register too. There were obviously ways to enable other computers if need be, but it was a few extra steps that required extra information. It didnt involve IPs it was something software related on the computer.

Pokerstars could not allow you to specify your IP range that you allow, and just temp block your account if a non familiar IP accesses it... kind of like Neteller.. but this would probably result in more players being pissed with not being able to play right away when they are somewhere else, then it would save from being hijacked.

Lastly, I highly doubt this spain faggot did this for a joy ride.. Theres no way he would go through all the trouble of doing this operation just to spew away a bunch of someones money... I mean thats just evil.. it doesnt benefit him at all... he could just pretend hes doing that shit and play play money haha.. I also highly doubt those spain IPs are his real IPs.. his operation was pretty smart, especially if he did manage to get some of that money without pokerstars noticing the dumping. I never looked at the pokertracker IDE website, but he obviously spent alot of work making the site, the program (he probably made the keylogger himself so it wouldnt get detected by AVs), contacting all the players etc.. Theres no way he'd do this all for shits and giggles. Also, if he did program the keylogger himself, he must have some computer knowledge, and would have been smart enough to use another infected computer for his IP when accessing everything (or some random wifi). Did anyone do a whois on the domain name? I read all this yesterday, i think Warpe may have? If not, someone should do it.. I will go back and read this thread to see if it was done, if not ill do it.. it could have his real name in it. Altho maybe the guy is an idiot, and used frontpage to make his website and just downloaded some random key logger... his posts here did seem very uneducated (not just the bad english).

Anyways good luck Will, I doubt you'll get any money back, but I would like to be wrong I'll also email stars, and send you money once everything is sorted.

[Bailey9999]

Domain name: poker-ide (DOT) com (can't post URLs..)

Registrant:
Aitor Morales Ruiperez (SROW-726393)
Support(AT)poker-ide(DOT) com
108 Cannon Street
London London
40744 ES
+44 2076587700


Administrative contact:
Aitor Morales Ruiperez (SRCO-1144158)
Support(AT)poker-ide(DOT) com
108 Cannon Street
London London
40744 ES
+44 2076587700


Technical contact:
Aitor Morales Ruiperez (SRCO-1144159)
Support(AT)poker-ide(DOT) com
108 Cannon Street
London London
40744 ES
+44 2076587700


Domain servers in listed order:
ns5.piensasolutions (DOT) com 217.76.150.139
ns6.piensasolutions (DOT) com 217.76.156.139


Created: 20 Feb 2008 12:33:07 UTC
Expires: 20 Feb 2009 12:27:18 UTC
Last updated: 20 Feb 2008 12:33:07 UTC


This is the whois... things that I noticed that are odd... the address
108 Cannon Street.. is actually the address to a bank (BBVA Bank)
So the address is most likely fake, however when I googled the name and phone number I got no results, so they could be real?
allinlondon (DOT) co.uk/directory/1063/12123.php

[Bailey9999]

Oh another thing.. Info for anyone that ever uses Remember my password on any application.. It is very easy to extract the password from the ******. Some people might think that if they use remember my password, the hacker will still have to use their computer to access their account. This is incorrect. They can use a simple API function to extract the actual data from the field.

[KoRnholio]

Actually... SunPoker has some good security. I don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else can recall the details). But they did something, where you can only login on the computer you orginally register too. There were obviously ways to enable other computers if need be, but it was a few extra steps that required extra information. It didnt involve IPs it was something software related on the computer.

Yes, on all of the Cryptologic network sites before you log into your account on a new computer you need to "register" your account on it using some other info from when you first made your account. I don't think it takes IP into account, but it might. I do know that reinstalling the software requires you to re-"register" it before you log in.

[donkbee]

Will - I was really shocked when I first read this thread, and I feel really bad for you. I'm impressed with the way you've handled it so far, though ... Good luck rebuilding.

[grnydrowave2]

WHAT? I join here to check your problem and I see that you think that I am the stealer? Probably the person that stole you is using my ip to do this...you should inform better...

Now he's stealing IPs?!?! Watch out, fellas. This is one talented hacker.



Edit: wow, I didn't realize this was up to 4 pages already

[Halv]

lol not only did he steal the IP - he stole the IP to make the first set of posts, anticipating that the real owner would come on here later and blame PokerStars!

[Warpe]

Actually... SunPoker has some good security. I don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else can recall the details). But they did something, where you can only login on the computer you orginally register too. There were obviously ways to enable other computers if need be, but it was a few extra steps that required extra information. It didnt involve IPs it was something software related on the computer.

Yes, on all of the Cryptologic network sites before you log into your account on a new computer you need to "register" your account on it using some other info from when you first made your account. I don't think it takes IP into account, but it might. I do know that reinstalling the software requires you to re-"register" it before you log in.

Taking the extra step to ask the simple stuff like the answer to your security question, birthdate etc, would probably be enough.

[WildBobAA]

Wow so I've been super busy the past few says and just read through this thread right now. This is sooooo fucked up.

[ProZachNation]

Actually... SunPoker has some good security. I don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else can recall the details). But they did something, where you can only login on the computer you orginally register too. There were obviously ways to enable other computers if need be, but it was a few extra steps that required extra information. It didnt involve IPs it was something software related on the computer.

Yes, on all of the Cryptologic network sites before you log into your account on a new computer you need to "register" your account on it using some other info from when you first made your account. I don't think it takes IP into account, but it might. I do know that reinstalling the software requires you to re-"register" it before you log in.

Taking the extra step to ask the simple stuff like the answer to your security question, birthdate etc, would probably be enough.

Yeah. Maybe a 2nd password to be able to change IP addresses, chances of a key logger catching it would be a lot slimmer.

In my email to Poker Stars after I talked about will I asked them why they do not have a feature like this and the person said they would forward the email to development, so heres to hoping.