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    Default $100nl KK vs Flush Draw

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP2 ($99)
    CO ($23.50)
    Hero ($97.50)
    SB ($183.15)
    BB ($106.25)
    UTG ($61)
    UTG+1 ($110.95)
    MP1 ($27.60)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
    2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, MP1 folds.

    Flop: ($12) Q, 9, 2 (2 players)
    SB bets $3, Hero raises to $18, SB calls $15.

    Turn: ($48) T (2 players)
    SB bets $1, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $29.

    River: ($108) A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks.

    Final Pot: $108

    SB likes to lead with little tiny bets when he has a 8/9-out draw, as I've seen him do multiple times, so I'm almost certain he's on a flush draw. I think I should have bet the turn harder. River is obvious check. Thoughts?
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    I like it but I would raise the turn a little harder.
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    If you raise turn harder to like $45 you might have committed yourself to call any river

    Which may or may not be a bad thing.
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    Here's a hand you may find relevant that Renton and I played. We both agreed that the river was a fold vs this opponent. I'm not sure if flop and turn should be larger raises, but they're definitely good as is. The other option is basically raising flop to 23/25 then pushing turn. In this situation, I dunno about that, but if we KNEW villian had a fd then raising larger on flop then getting it in on turn would probably be best. Yeah, the latter line has gotta be best, actually, since I don't wanna hafta consider folding to a shove on a blank river vs this station, and it's not like he's folding a jack.

    MP3 ($402.30)
    CO ($150)
    Button ($197)
    SB ($52)
    BB ($208.45)
    UTG ($197)
    Hero ($267.20)
    MP1 ($200)
    MP2 ($193)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
    UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 7 folds, UTG calls $7.

    Flop: ($21) J, 8, 5 (2 players)
    UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $20, UTG calls $18.

    Turn: ($61) T (2 players)
    UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $54, UTG calls $52.

    River: ($169) 2 (2 players)
    UTG bets $88, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $169
  5. #5
    Well played in the last one wufwugy. I don't see you or Renton that often at 1/2
  6. #6
    Fullring's not good enough for Rentpn, and I avoid you like the plague, didn't you know????
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    In the Kings hand, I really like shoving the turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    In the Kings hand, I really like shoving the turn.
    Originally I dismissed a shove thinking that it made his decision too easy. Say I raise to $40, then a call is incorrect for him (if he just has 9 outs) but more likely than if I go all-in.

    But now the more I think about it, the more I like pushing since it's likely he has more than 9 outs and it's likely that he's a dumbass and might call a shove with incorrect odds anyway.
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    river may be a check, but its definitely not "obvious" and you should always entertain the option of making a veebee on this river generally. I'd be tempted to bet/fold like 19 bucks or something.

    moral of the story is you should always at least consider it.
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    19 into 108? What?
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    yea why not
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    Actually, it's probably good vs this villian, but I don't like it vs a lot of others since we may get raised from time to time, and when they play a queen like this they call a bigger bet, and I don't think a worse pair plays turn like this.

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