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    Default $10NL - Overpair turned Set with 3 to a flush

    Im UTG and dealt TT, raise to 3xBB, the BB calls. Flop comes all unders, but there is a flush draw. I bet a little less than the pot (.5 into .65), he thinks for a bit and calls. The turn gives me a set but completes the flush, opponent checks and I bet a dollar. Looking back I think this was my error in the hand, but Im not all that sure. If I check and he pushes a non spade river, I ahve no idea where I stand. This table was fairly passive and I hadnt noticed any raises with air, so I felt like a bet of a dollar could easily get a fold, with a call id figure to be ahead, with a raise id put opponent on a flush. Is this thinking wrong? Anyways, he raises to $3 giving me about 2.8:1 on the call, I have 9 outs to a boat and 1 to quads, so 10 total. I need a little more than 3:1 to call, but if my opponent hit his flush, I will get paid off on the river if any of my 10 outs hit. So figuring in implied odds, this is a call, correct? Anyways, I call, river comes an ace, he pushes, I fold. What do you think of my thought process here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    SB ($7.45)
    BB ($10.25)
    Hero ($26.95)
    UTG+1 ($1.85)
    MP1 ($9.15)
    MP2 ($9.70)
    CO ($5.25)
    Button ($4.05)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
    Hero raises to $0.3, 6 folds, BB calls $0.20.

    Flop: ($0.65) 6, 9, 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50.

    Turn: ($1.65) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2.

    River: ($7.65) A (2 players)
    BB bets $6.45 (All-In), Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $14.10
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    I like the turn bet, but his 3-bet lets you know it's push or fold time. Most of the time without a read I'd fold this. Also, I think limping TT from UTG is better than raising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    I like the turn bet, but his 3-bet lets you know it's push or fold time. Most of the time without a read I'd fold this. Also, I think limping TT from UTG is better than raising.
    UTG I like to vary my play with TT, about half the time I limp, the other have I raise, maybe this is a leak.

    Anyways though, on the turn 3-bet I do not think there is anyway my opponent is folding and if he is betting here then he will push the river. So I can call here and see if I hit my outs, if I dont, then I fold, if I do then I call. It saves me from going broke when I dont think I have to. I could be way off base here, and if I am please tell me, but dont the implied odds mean I should atleast be calling here?
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    If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
    Maybe I should have clarified more in my OP, but I was sure that he was not getting off his hand with a "strong" [at this table] raise on the turn and fully expected a push on the river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy-akb
    Quote Originally Posted by freechus9
    If you think that opp won't get off his hand if the board pairs, then yes you do have implied odds. But without a read it's hard to tell what opponent will do.
    Maybe I should have clarified more in my OP, but I was sure that he was not getting off his hand with a "strong" [at this table] raise on the turn and fully expected a push on the river.
    In that case then yes, a call is the best move here. Good fold on the river, I'd say.
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    3x the big blind just don't cut it at these limits. You should raise at least .40 or .50 preflop. UTG I usually limp tens. Raising TT UTG invites an unpleasant situation at full ring where someone behind with JJ+ threebets you. You end up having to fold and give up an excellent stacking opportunity. I usually just limp TT-JJ from UTG and hope someone wakes up with AA/KK and look to flop a set and stackem.

    Edited to ADD: As played after the flop, you played it fine I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    3x the big blind just don't cut it at these limits. You should raise at least .40 or .50 preflop. UTG I usually limp tens. Raising TT UTG invites an unpleasant situation at full ring where someone behind with JJ+ threebets you. You end up having to fold and give up an excellent stacking opportunity. I usually just limp TT-JJ from UTG and hope someone wakes up with AA/KK and look to flop a set and stackem.

    Edited to ADD: As played after the flop, you played it fine I think.
    Alright, thanks thats what I was thinking. Preflop I was getting too worrying about varying my bets and was going to bet my "standard" $0.50 but wanted to switch things up a little bit, preflop and the turn were really my main sources of question here.
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    I like everything about the way you played it. He wont put you on a FH just because the board pairs. Hes more likely to think you have JJ-AA.

    I tend to raise a little more than that preflop but it was getting unusually tight yesterday. I think you still get callers with 4BB though.
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