Quote Originally Posted by ShowMeAtlas
Quote Originally Posted by Pants_101
Thanks for the feedback. A few points - the minraise pf is just a small pot sweetening raise. People say if they will call 2bb they will call 3 but in my experience it's more like if they will call 1bb they will call 2. But the old minraise has been done to death anyway. Interested to hear how I am losing value by sweetening the pot with limpers though. I would have thought by doubling the stakes I make it easier to make more money when my set comes in as all subsequent bets are bigger.

When he makes the tiny bet on the flop it looks like a feeble blocking bet or possibly a monster hand. I raise it and get called but in my experience people often call when raised and then fold the turn. Like they're embarrassed or angry at getting raised I don't know. Having said that with the board as it is I should probably check and definitely check the river.
If you want to raise, make a good stiff raise. That gives you 3 ways to win the pot.
1)Preflop
2)With a cbet on the flop
3)If you hit

Forget this pot sweetening crap. All you're doing is eliminating 1 and 2 since you will have too many players in the hand.
I see what you're saying and I think your advice is often good. However I'm wondering what is the play that gives me the best chance of winning a big pot with a small pp. To my mind hitting a set with lots of players in the pot is better than with only 1 opp as there is more chance someone hits a hand that they want to continue with. And if I have built the pot a little pf then all subsequent bets are bigger making it easier to win more. Of course on this board I should have been more circumspect, but I still think generally the pot sweetening play is defensible. Interested to hear what others think. If it had been folded to me I would raise the pair to $0.4 or so and I would be looking to win PF or with a c-bet as you say Atlas.