$50nl - Some Hands From Morning Session

Hand 1:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($16.85)
MP2 ($11.25)
CO ($114.50)
Button ($75.55)
SB ($23.25)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($46.50)
UTG+1 ($48.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 3
5 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50) 9, 5, A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds

Total pot: $1.50 | Rake: $0.05

I have no playability in this hand making it bluff worthy and Villains' ranges seem to rarely hit this flop hard. Even with something like 88 it's hard for villain to continue.


Hand 2:

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MP3 ($24.95)
CO ($8.75)
Hero (Button) ($50.75)
SB ($51.90)
BB ($10)
UTG ($51.65)
UTG+1 ($27.15)
MP1 ($38.70)
MP2 ($62.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 7
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, MP1 calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 8, A, A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold

Total pot: $5.75 | Rake: $0.25

Villain's not often going to continue without at least a decent pair, so I don't gain as much from checking for a free card and plus I don't have any showdown value really so this seems like a legitimate spot for a +EV c-bet despite the flop texture given that Villain folds to c-bet way too much and hasn't check-raised a flop or raised a c-bet in 150 hands.


Hand 3:

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UTG ($16.05)
UTG+1 ($10.50)
MP1 ($115.25)
MP2 ($75.65)
MP3 ($25.10)
Hero (CO) ($51.15)
Button ($45)
SB ($8.75)
BB ($48.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 5
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, BB checks

Flop: ($1.75) 6, 9, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds

Total pot: $1.75 | Rake: $0.05

It feels like my opponent's ranges are weak and mine has a lot of possibility for strength; this could be correct even if I'm just protecting my hand from overcards.


Hand 4:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($15.55)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($115.25)
UTG+1 ($75.15)
MP1 ($25.10)
Hero (MP2) ($53.10)
MP3 ($45)
CO ($8.50)
Button ($48)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 5 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 4, 2, 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75) K (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6.50, UTG+1 calls $6.50

River: ($21.75) A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $42.60 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $21.75 | Rake: $1.05

On the flop I think a lot of his range will play but not as much as if an A or K comes on the turn or river when I have plenty of time to get money in the pot. On the turn his check/call shows me that he's got a piece and wants to see a showdown, and that piece is either some pocket pair or AK/AQ. The river was based on me thinking his calling range is mostly AK or AQ; there are 9 combinations of AK and 12 of AQ, and he can't possibly fold AK here since the flush draw missed. In the moment I thought if he calls $40 ~75% of the time, that's still more value than if he calls $20 ~100% of the time. I think I made a mistake by not realizing that something like JJ can call a smaller bet also and those medium/big pocket pairs are also a part of his range. Even in light of that, I don't think the river was bad since Villain is an unknown and couldn't know that I typically don't bluff rivers when I miss draws.

Edit: I just realized that it came KA and not AK on the turn and river so thinking he has AQ here is mildly retarded. In light of this, a smaller bet is almost certainly correct since KQ is a nice chunk of his range.


Hand 5:

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UTG+1 ($46.45)
MP1 ($53.20)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($27.80)
CO ($53.85)
Hero (Button) ($108.70)
SB ($51.95)
BB ($20.90)
UTG ($132.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, Q
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 6, K, 10 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP2 calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.75) 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: ($12.75) J (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $12.75 | Rake: $0.60

Villain is unknown. The turn is my interesting decision here. I think if I check I can get a bet out of his draws sometimes on the river, but I can also do that (and a higher % of the time) on the turn and take a free showdown against the other hands in his range? If I check am I also getting value-towned since I'm setting myself up to have to call a bet on the river?


Hand 6:

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UTG+1 ($49.70)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($55.20)
Hero (MP3) ($50.25)
CO ($36.55)
Button ($8.85)
SB ($146.25)
BB ($19.05)
UTG ($53)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 7, 6, A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG+1 raises to $7, Hero raises to $16.50, UTG+1 raises to $47.20 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $38.75 | Rake: $1.90

Villain is 11/3 with AFs of 2-3 for all streets. His check/raise flop is 12% and raise c-bet is 26% over almost 1000 hands. I feel like I have a lot of fold equity here, and a lot of his raising range is comprised of hands that will fold to a 3-bet. Maybe my assessment of his range is skewed because of how narrow it is?


Hand 7:

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Button ($66.80)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($30)
Hero (UTG) ($50)
UTG+1 ($36.55)
MP1 ($8.85)
MP2 ($148.10)
MP3 ($16.80)
CO ($59.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, MP3 calls $2, 4 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7, 7, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $2, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.75 | Rake: $0.20

I think I missed a profitable c-bet but if I'm going to have a check/fold range it will for sure include AK since that hand benefits the most from the times I get a free card. On one hand, my range is fairly strong here against his likely range, but on the other hand I wouldn't always take an aggressive line here with a really strong PP since I get a ton of value from the times he pairs up and makes a boat.


Hand 8:

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UTG+1 ($66.80)
MP1 ($49.25)
MP2 ($24.25)
Hero (CO) ($49.25)
Button ($17.45)
SB ($142.60)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($56.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 7
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) A, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($7.50) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB calls $5.50

River: ($18.50) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $18.50 | Rake: $0.90

Villain bets a lot of flops and has a huge flop AF after about 150 hands. The range I would call the flop and check the turn with are mostly 99-QQ or a weak Ax, so the range I would call the flop and bet the turn should seem stronger than that. Given Villain's flop aggression and the board texture, I think this is a good spot to float with my gutshot since my range will seem strong and his range seems kind of weak. The question I think is what happens if Villain bets the turn? The board is pretty dry, but the K is a great card to double barrel against my pocket pair hands. Then again, it's not so great against my Ax hands, which there are considerably more of. This implies that his range probably isn't wide enough to make a turn raise bluff +EV.


Hand 9:

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CO ($66.05)
Button ($49.25)
SB ($29.30)
Hero (BB) ($50)
UTG ($26.35)
UTG+1 ($50)
MP1 ($151.20)
MP2 ($41.45)
MP3 ($57.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $2.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $5

Flop: ($15.75) 3, 7, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP3 raises to $17.50, Hero raises to $42.50 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $50.75 | Rake: $2.50

Villain is a total unknown. I would consider calling preflop if there was no limper since I don't want to play OOP against two players. On the flop my range is wide enough that it seems necessary to bet here since preflop I bluff a bit since his range is weak considering the limper. Then as played I'm committed since letting Villain hit a 6-outer here would be a disaster.


Hand 10:

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UTG ($30.85)
MP1 ($52.70)
MP2 ($52.10)
Hero (CO) ($121.35)
Button ($91.70)
SB ($15.80)
BB ($48.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2
1 fold, MP1 raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 9, 8, A (2 players)
MP1 bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($8.75) 6 (2 players)
MP1 bets $5.50, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold

Total pot: $19.75 | Rake: $0.95

Villain is an unknown but his range seems wide enough to make floating a profitable play. Sort of an afterthought but I'd be more likely to turn 22 into a bluff than something like TT. On the turn I feel like this is a really obvious spot to double barrel a lot of his non-A range (including sets which are extremely unlikely here) but check for pot control when he does have an Ace because my range contains a lot of one-pair hands. Even if he has a Ace he will often find a fold on the turn.

1) Looks good, $1 may accomplish the same though.

2) Standard, quite a lot of turns you can bet as well.

3) Why no iso?

4) I would be betting around $14 on this river, the diamond draw came and while it's very unlikely that you have the flush, a shove can look pretty scary to fish/ bad regs.

5) I don't see how you can be value towning yourself by setting yourself up to have to call a river bet. Either he's bluffing enough on the river that you can call or he's not, either way your hand has SD value and I like your line.

6) This looks really really spewy. He has 66/77 all the time. c/r flop of 12% isn't high at all, how frequently do you flop a set? This just looks like fps vs a brainless nit.

7) i remember getting bollocked by you and dean a while ago for c/f ing a similar flop with AK. You have 6 decent outs and your range is very strong here.

8) idk about this one, it feels a lot like his small bet has induced a float which makes it unlikely he's going to fold, on the other hand if you raise and bet turn hard I think he'll fold a lot. Folding flop seems really really weak but I think I would be raising a lot here.

9) I like, small bet is nice

10) Again I'm not sure about this one, I'd personally like to have some reads to pull this off, knowing he'd fold AK in this spot would be amazing (lots of the nitty regs would imo).

I'm kinda surprised on the whole that you didn't post more reads and stats.

Originally Posted by badgers

3) Why no iso?

I just don't isolate with the smallest pairs that often. It's one of those off the wall tendencies I have like I'm more likely to isolate with 97s than 98s.

Originally Posted by badgers

4) I would be betting around $14 on this river, the diamond draw came and while it's very unlikely that you have the flush, a shove can look pretty scary to fish/ bad regs.

Yeah I agree.

Originally Posted by badgers

5) I don't see how you can be value towning yourself by setting yourself up to have to call a river bet. Either he's bluffing enough on the river that you can call or he's not, either way your hand has SD value and I like your line.

I wasn't very clear on this, but I mean if he has like a weak king or even QQ/JJ (ignoring the J on the river) then I'm sort of forced to call a river bet because the draws miss. It's not a big deal imo.

Originally Posted by badgers

6) This looks really really spewy. He has 66/77 all the time. c/r flop of 12% isn't high at all, how frequently do you flop a set? This just looks like fps vs a brainless nit.

The typical brainless nit usually has a c/r flop of like 2 which is why it stood out to me in combination with how often he raised a c-bet. Given how narrow his range is, I don't think it's enough by itself to 3-bet here.

Originally Posted by badgers

7) i remember getting bollocked by you and dean a while ago for c/f ing a similar flop with AK. You have 6 decent outs and your range is very strong here.

I really don't remember the hand you're talking about, but AA and AK are probably the only hands I usually don't c-bet here. AA for obvious reasons, and AK because it's the best of my non-PP hands and I think I should be check/folding here against his range some portion of the time.

Originally Posted by badgers

8) idk about this one, it feels a lot like his small bet has induced a float which makes it unlikely he's going to fold, on the other hand if you raise and bet turn hard I think he'll fold a lot. Folding flop seems really really weak but I think I would be raising a lot here.

You just described my usual line.

Originally Posted by badgers

9) I like, small bet is nice Smile

I've been doing a near half-PSB a lot OOP in 3-bet pots recently, and I like it. Our SPR is such that it doesn't really make us lose much value since we can get a whole stack in over the next two streets without needing an overbet. Against guys who call 3-bets and fold flops a lot it's great for obvious reasons. Against guys who are tired of you 3-betting the dog shit out of their LP raises and decide to start calling you, it's great too since they start playing rather retardedly.

Originally Posted by badgers

10) Again I'm not sure about this one, I'd personally like to have some reads to pull this off, knowing he'd fold AK in this spot would be amazing (lots of the nitty regs would imo).

What I'm starting to wonder is that if he wouldn't fold AK here and he would put in another bet on the river against my set or whatever, how often would I have to have a hand to make this type of thing +EV? Like what sort of composition of draws/made hands/crap should I be doing this with to make it hard to play against me and/or to maximize my EV.

Originally Posted by badgers

I'm kinda surprised on the whole that you didn't post more reads and stats.

This post was more of an afterthought. I was just keeping up with hands and some thoughts on them for my own study, then decided to post them.

Thanks.

You're right, it was dean and fnord. I found the link

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...it-t69166.html

Here's the quote that has stuck with me

Originally Posted by Deanglow

You have seven outs to the nuts; your equity is enormous. Bet these flops with AK 100%.

Regarding the 55 hand, I definitely remember that it was you who started me isolating with small PPs in that situation. I think it could be close but I am very rarely ever limping behind one limper, perhaps you lose value if they l/f too frequently but I just think it helps to raise a lot and frustrate them.

I might post about hand 10 later but I'm ill and thinking about your post is hurting my head lol.

The biggest thing about limping small PPs is that I isolate sooo much as it is that I try to save some of my best implied odds hands for calling.

Without looking at any other responses

1) I like this and should reincorporate it into my game more. Got a little gunshy after getting my flop bet called pretty regularly.

2) Seems awfully std to me?

3) I raise this PF all day, and I like the flop bet.

4) I do this occasionally too as a changeup. Normally I like $14-18.

5) I probably fire turn and check behind river to make my life a little easier. If turn goes check/bet/call, and then he leads river for 1/2 pot, are you calling?

6) Based on your reads of villain, I like. Against a sane opponent (or less aggro, anyway), I would probably want more outs.

7) Seems like an auto cbet, but I can see check/fold.

8) Did you consider raising that weak flop bet?

9) I play the same but I think you see KK/AA a fair amount too.

10) I very much like the float on flop, turn raise is sexy, but I don't know if i have the balls to do it?

Hand 7 you is silly for giving up so easily with 7 outterdoodles.

6) Why not just call the check-raise and either spike a 9, or else make a move on the turn if you think he's full of shit? You have position, use it.

7) Check-call $2 is absolutely fine here.

10) Just fold the flop, it's great to have a wide floating range in this spot but if there's any hand you should fold to his c-bet then it's this one.

I like the rest of them.

I don't like your cbet standard sizing ($3.50 into $5.75, maybe it's not standard - but it looks that way). I prefer 2/3-3/4 psb. I may be wrong though, I'll need to think about that more - especially the impact of 4bb standard open vs 3.5 standard open on tilt.

hand 1: that or check fold. Both are fine.

hand 2: Iso good. c-bet good with a hand that weak and villain's likely holdings.

hand 3: or raise pre is fine too. Use position to drop the pot = good, players aren't level 0 really, they're scared you've got a 6 after all that action pre-flop.

hand 4: preflop good. Flop fine cos hu and being scared of a flush draw is silly here. Turn nice. River, always good to give him a chance to make a stupid call - especially with the ace smashing his range. Ac and he's calling a lot more often though.

hand 5: preflop yep (it's funny, cos of the Full Tilt bet pot button my bet sizing is a little different from yours). Drawy board etc and I bet the turn to get value from 79 etc then check river behind.

hand 6: 11-3, what's his ep limp call range? He either has Adxd or a set like almost all the time, and he's not folding. AF of 3 means he probably folds a lot. CR flop is high cos his range is so tight that he makes a lot of good hands and doesn't donk bet. CRs from nits cost me a lot of money. I like calling the check-raise cos I'm full of leaks.

Hand 7: Bet flop for value - you'll get the next two streets free if he has a pair and he won't fold his full house to psbs when you hit.

hand 8: re-raise flop is good. And you're not repping ak on the turn cos you raise that on the flop.

hand 9: Villain has JJ/AK most of the time here and you played it good. AA/KK nice hand villain, but unlikely.

Hand 10: I don't like this against unknowns. I simply fold the flop.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Daven, haven't you noticed people flatting in position with monsters more often recently? I don't think AA/KK is that unlikely in hand 9 because villains like to TARP!!