$50nl - What are the best/worst I should have here?

Villain is relative unknown, but 36/25 or so after 40 hands. What are the best and worst hands that I should have on the river here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($70.45)
MP3 ($57.15)
CO ($48.50)
Button ($49.75)
SB ($115.65)
Hero (BB) ($51.50)
UTG ($43.85)
UTG+1 ($26)
MP1 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is BB
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $3, MP2 calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.75) 3, 6, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, MP2 calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $10.50, MP2 calls $10.50

River: ($36.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $30.50, Hero calls $30.50

Worst: JJ or QQ

Edited cuz I don't like my first answer.
To me his line looks like 9x, TT, JJ. Possible weird full house or bluff line.

Best: 45
Worst: JJ

I hope those figures don't make me look retarded.

Based on timing maybe AQ or better maybe 77 or better

No, 45 is not a hand that would be played this way because we raised 3x preflop
if were semi-bluffing PF we'd raise like 5 buxx

am I wrong here?

Originally Posted by iopq

if were semi-bluffing PF we'd raise like 5 buxx

am I wrong here?

Why would spoon make his pf raise size any different with a "semi-bluff" than what he normally would raise to? Also, I'm not sure if raising pf would be considered "semi-bluffing."

Originally Posted by iopq

No, 45 is not a hand that would be played this way because we raised 3x preflop
if were semi-bluffing PF we'd raise like 5 buxx

am I wrong here?

it was 6x and I'm pretty sure spoon would raise the same with his entire range because he doesn't suck.

77 is maybe good, I'm not sure if I'd two barrel with 7s though or if I'd just let him bet the turn so I'm going to say TT.

Ahhh wtf I posted but my internet fuxored and didn't actually make the post happen. I do again.

Oh turns out I didn't notice Spoon was the BB when I made my first post so I said wrong things. Umm let's see... 54 is just going to check the option like 99.9% you donks. Boats and quads would obviously not just flat the river. Actually his range is pretty small, it's probably pairs TT+ (maybe 88/77 but that'd need a better read on villain for turn bet + river call) and A9, maybe K9s if Spoon likes to raise that from the BB. Probably doesn't have KK/AA either or he'd lead or raise the river.

So 1 pair, pocket or otherwise, 9's thru Q's.

One thing I wish we knew was if villain had a hait of playing his draws passively and then bluffing large on a missed river, a lot of guys with his stats will do that. Or if we thought he'd play the same and then vbet thin with TT, then we can take 9x out of our call range.

Deanglow is like so smart it's not even funny.

hands that beat a6

aw wtf I thought he raised 3x, misreads

TT, maybe A9, he's so loose and seems aggro pre so might bluff missed draws

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Deanglow is like so smart it's not even funny.

sarcasm?

it seems like you shouldnt barrel random overcards on this turn so I am reluctant to say "Ace high!!!" but if i had like QJss id be tempted to call the river. obviously any weak pair A6+ should bet turn c/c river. JJ+ should probably shove rather than c/c river.

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Deanglow is like so smart it's not even funny.

sarcasm?

Actually no. I don't know why but there's something about your delivery in posts that makes me have a lot of "aha" moments right after I'm done reading them.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

it seems like you shouldnt barrel random overcards on this turn so I am reluctant to say "Ace high!!!" but if i had like QJss id be tempted to call the river. obviously any weak pair A6+ should bet turn c/c river. JJ+ should probably shove rather than c/c river.

Only slightly off topic, but if we had AK and the turn was a K, would you be more for a c/c or shove on the river? I'm thinking shove since our hand has so much value but I'm still mulling it over.

Effective stack sizes made me think that villain was probably not on a draw by the river (on turn, pot odds and implied odds were no good for opponent).

How much credit do you give his stats, given lack of other reads? Over 40 hands, opp could just be on a heater or fucking with a weak table. Barring any info showing he actually plays like a laggtard postflop, I don't see how calling with stuff like A-high is anything but a spew here. I assumed a competent though not great player, but is that wrong at these limits and those stats?
(Also from opp's point of view, Spoons line looks a lot like A9, 77,88,TT-KK,AK-AT -- He would likely expect a call from the pps ten and up here.)

Originally Posted by cowboyardee

Effective stack sizes made me think that villain was probably not on a draw by the river (on turn, pot odds and implied odds were no good for opponent).

How much credit do you give his stats, given lack of other reads? Over 40 hands, opp could just be on a heater or fucking with a weak table. Barring any info showing he actually plays like a laggtard postflop, I don't see how calling with stuff like A-high is anything but a spew here. I assumed a competent though not great player, but is that wrong at these limits and those stats?
(Also from opp's point of view, Spoons line looks a lot like A9, 77,88,TT-KK,AK-AT -- He would likely expect a call from the pps ten and up here.)

oh, so we should only call here with a boat. now i know why i dont win at 10ptbb.

Originally Posted by cowboyardee

Effective stack sizes made me think that villain was probably not on a draw by the river (on turn, pot odds and implied odds were no good for opponent).

How much credit do you give his stats, given lack of other reads? Over 40 hands, opp could just be on a heater or fucking with a weak table. Barring any info showing he actually plays like a laggtard postflop, I don't see how calling with stuff like A-high is anything but a spew here. I assumed a competent though not great player, but is that wrong at these limits and those stats?
(Also from opp's point of view, Spoons line looks a lot like A9, 77,88,TT-KK,AK-AT -- He would likely expect a call from the pps ten and up here.)

You have poor hand reading skills and give too much credit to your opponents. Play/post some more hands rather than post more advice.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Originally Posted by cowboyardee

Effective stack sizes made me think that villain was probably not on a draw by the river (on turn, pot odds and implied odds were no good for opponent).

How much credit do you give his stats, given lack of other reads? Over 40 hands, opp could just be on a heater or fucking with a weak table. Barring any info showing he actually plays like a laggtard postflop, I don't see how calling with stuff like A-high is anything but a spew here. I assumed a competent though not great player, but is that wrong at these limits and those stats?
(Also from opp's point of view, Spoons line looks a lot like A9, 77,88,TT-KK,AK-AT -- He would likely expect a call from the pps ten and up here.)

oh, so we should only call here with a boat. now i know why i dont win at 10ptbb.

Not what I meant. I already stated that IMO we should be calling with at least JJ (and raising what little we got left with a boat)

But the point was more that i didn't understand the logic of calling with like A high or something lower than a pair of nines. And since Spoon, whose other posts have often been very helpful to me, seemed to agree with others that calling with AQ/77+ was +EV, i wanted to know the rationale for this. I didn't mean to imply that it was wrong -- I assumed my thinking was wrong. Sorry if that didn't come across.
I was I was trying to phrase my post as a question in hopes that someone would explain it to me. Are opps at this level often in the habit of calling on an empty draw in spots like that turn?
That's not rhetorical -- i don't play online and was under the impression that online opps at 50nl were sort of competent compared to their live counterparts.

best: 99?
worst: possibly an over pair would of been played really poorly here?

Originally Posted by DaddyDeez

best: 99?
worst: possibly an over pair would of been played really poorly here?

We should never have 99 here, doucy?

Hint: We checked the river.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by DaddyDeez

best: 99?
worst: possibly an over pair would of been played really poorly here?

We should never have 99 here, doucy?

Hint: We checked the river.

yea i c why. c/c the river with the 2nd nutz would be terrible.
i'm lost cuz im not sure what we raise here from the BB ofcourse we raise AK, and JJ+ possibly AQs.

if we have AQ or AK spades would betting the turn and Check - Calling the River really be +ev? his stats seem to suggest his range is large & he limp/called so im lost on villains range as well. obv he would do this with suited connectors and small pp's so if we put him on a missed flush draw.
AQ+ would be well played here. yea?